Frank used an ion selective probe to see if there was any Ionic Silver
in the blood after ingesting EIS.
He found none.
What he doesn't say is what he did find [or if he *looked* for metallic
silver ]
That speaks unspoken volumes of unprovable speculation...but un-proven
isn't dis-proven and no one is claiming anything about that
If the *Fulminating Silver Stage* theory is correct, the results would look
very similar to someone using Franks products.
Now, Frank doesn't say that EIS /CS **doesn't** work, just that it's the
Colloidal portion that's doing the job.
But IF the Ionic portion is converting to a Colloid, Frank is both
correct AND Ionic Silver works ....BECAUSE he's correct.
But saying so would impact the *specialness* of his product as it's
...getting to the same place by different routes.
All that said, Frank has been VERY helpful where it doesn't reveal his
trade secrets, his contributions as far as they can go with that limitation
are honest and accurate and his is the best lab going.
Franks contributions are quite valuable.
If there is anyone that knows what he's talking about, that would be
Frank...but there are some things he just won't talk about.
People have a right to keep their "Trade Secrets" safe.
People have a right to "remain silent".
[Ever notice how quiet he gets when EIS and Hydrogen Peroxide discussions
arise?]
Given Franks "situation", I don't have a problem with him and count him as
one of the "Good Guys" and Meso-Silver as probably a very good
product...just not the only one that's good.
I don't remember Stuart very well, but being confrontational in a pissing
contest isn't necessary if both ways work the same and no one is denying
that another way works.
It's not a matter of "Mine is good, therefore, yours is bad"...if....BOTH
are good.
And if one may be personally found somewhat better for a *given
application*...pick that one for that application. It doesn't mean that
another doesn't work better for a different application, or that either or
neither will work well enough to get the job done.
Ode
At 01:55 PM 2/1/2010 -0600, you wrote:
Sasha,
From the paper I forwarded to Neville:
"The following is abstracted from an online debate between Francis Key,
Principal Scientist and Founder, Colloidal Science Laboratory, New Jersey,
USA, who holds that ionic silver
cannot possibly have anti-microbial utility in the human body, and Stuart
Thomson,
Director and Founder, the Gaia Research Institute, Knysna, Republic of
South Africa, who
argues that ionic silver is indeed so active via ammonia and
metalloprotein mechanisms."
After the Altman Silver Elimination Study results were released in 1999,
apparently some lively discussions took place regarding just what the
Altman study meant regarding EIS effectiveness the body. The paper relates
some discussions and analysis that took place on the silver list in 2001
between Frank Key and Stuart Thomson.
Personally, I think that neither person got it quite right.
- Steve N
PS -
Mike Devour,
I could not help myself in relating that reference to you. I have been
chuckling all morning after having again read it. I am not sure if I saved
the paper because of its scientific value or because of that comment. And
the way it makes it appear that you being a self proclaimed Libertarian
confirms the conspiracy. It reminds me of that old political campaign in
the deep South where one candidate accused his opposition of being a
"heterosexual".
Mike Monett,
Now you now know which of the old posts to NOT include in the archive. <g>
LOL!
Now Mike is probably going to include my posts in that category as well.
From: sms [mailto:s...@emotap.com]
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:22 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>WHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria!
Who's Stuart? Pardon my ignorance.
Sasha
Steve quotes the following:
> "Stuart exposed Frank as a scam artist with massive vested commercial
> interests in propounding his claim. One of Frank's accomplices, Mike
>
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