John - though you are clearly well-intended, your insistence that there
is "A" truth about diet and
meat is just nonsense. There are studies up the wazoo on both, actually
on many sides of this issue, and you can find and site the ones that fit
your point of view, and insist on that as truth - which it seems to be
FOR YOU, or you can acknowledge that not all human beings and all human
bodies are alike, and each needs to find what works best for them.
There are people who absolutely need meat to be healthy.
There are many people who are much healthier without it, and many people
who can manage fine without it but for whom its not a horrendous thing.
I would agree that it is hard to come upon healthful meat, if you can't
grow/tend/feed it yourself and know what you're eating. Just as is also
the case with all fruits and vegetables and grains. Even if you grow
them yourselves you can't prevent contamination from air and rain. One
factor not taken into consideration in some of the studies you mention
exist in regards to meat is that part of the problem is what
combinations of food you eat. If you eat meat only alone or in
combination with raw veggies, never with grains or starches or fruits,
it is much more easily digested by many folks. Need about six hours
between eating meat and any form of grain or starch or fruit. Fruits
never to be eaten with any other kind of food - though if you eat the
fruit first, takes only 15 minutes for it to clear through your system
enough to eat somethign else. Grains and veggies are fine to eat
together.
I guess what I'm getting at is there are so so many variables in this
equation, and your approach is like a fundamentalist preacher, here is
truth, and you're damned if you don't "believe". In my experience,
each of us is able to pay attention to our own bodies and "hear" what it
is we are needing at any given time, and that equation varies and
evolves for many of us. Imposing something out of a "true belief' in
one set of research or another can often be the MOST damaging thing one
can do. Joy
John Rigby wrote:
At 05:29 PM 11/11/04, you wrote:
So if a no meat diet is so great and can save a person from cancer
how come I got so sick on it?
sol
Well, you didn't get sick on it, Sol, you either were quite sick and
underwent a "Healing Crisis" or "Herx Effect " as some people call it
, (a very well known result of obese people losing weight too quickly)
- or you were eating incorrectly. It isn't a theory or hypothesis, we
are talking about a fact documented over literally thousands of years.
The big problem is -as usual - bum advice. :-)
If you eat meat - of any kind in any state - you superstress your
body. It is fibreless and compacts fantastically. People who have not
eaten meat for literally months and who undergo a Colema ( a high-end
flush of the colon) regularly produce masses of a dreadful compacted
black car-tyre looking stuff that turns out to be .......... that last
great steak the night before they were given a prognosis of impending
unpleasant death. I did.
Actually, if you did enough exercise in catching say a cat or a rabbit
or small dog or something and killed it quickly while you were *both*
flushed with the superchemicals of the chase and ate it full of blood,
raw and warm, you can get away with it. So long as you don't do it
too often. Me? I'll pass thanks! :-)
The big trick today, is finding food that is safe to eat. Meat would
be last on the list even if they did let you catch and kill it
yourself. It is a toxic timebomb.
There is a famous story about the development of the first long-life
Orange developed in California. All they had to do was get rid of the
Vitamin C and they were made. It has no vitamins, so no enzyme
activity, so doesn't rot for weeks! A triumph! millions of mothers all
over the world make sure that their kids get fresh oranges/juice every
single day........ no food, but a pretty thing.
It was always a big problem for our Cancervivors, most of whom already
had enough problems in other areas.
To have to switch to eating real, fresh food was a big chore. Think
about making a simple soup at home compared to throwing a whole
plastic bag straight in the Microwave and pulling it out in a few
minutes and pouring it into a bowl.
No microwaved anything!
No processed anything! ( Not even "healthy" Chinese - full of MSG)
No comfort foods at all - no chokkies, twinkies, tacos.
They were/are all taught to grow sprouts. Straight away they save
$100 p.m. on "vitamin" pills and "supplements".
Make their own Buttermilk/yoghurt. ( No more smoothies or other cream
products)
Complicate food combining that often didn't seem to make sense and
broke all the rules they knew.
AND boy, is it boring after cheesecake, Macktuckey, nights at the
restaurant, strong coffee, ice cream desserts.....
How did we talk them into it?
Easy! They were gonna DIE! Much harder for you to do it.
Still, within a few weeks when they could go to the toot without
bleeding or pain or strain ( we taught them to go "native style from
day 1 - it helps).
Wish I'd known about CS in them days! We banned everything except
Tea Tree Oil. Can give DMSO a run for the money on smell! :-)
But soon all of their list began to diminish: migraine, thrush,
piles, blurry vision, St Vitus dance, allergies, sinusitus, shingles,
oh yes, nearly forgot - their Cancer.
About then is a danger point:
Everyone feels great. Cured! A miracle! They want to go back to
doing what gave them their Cancer in the first place!
The Ice cream, the booze, the coffee, the cakes, ... their meat.
Luckily after a few months without sugar and "sick" salt, their big
steak is SUCH a disappointment. I know. :-(
The coffee tastes "wrong", the cream cakes make them gag, a booze is
instant migraine/sinus/ chocolate makes them edgy at once.
The extraordinary thing is I very personally know of hundreds of
people who forced themselves to "fit back in" to the social life, got
addicted again and were dead before the latest turkey/roast/ham/steak
could finally be expelled 6 months later.
I have to go
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