Keep in mind the new version is coming out at the end of the year (Brilan) that 
will have many new features its still under raps but from what I hear it will 
have a lot of cool new useful features..
I am sure it is easy for you to set up since you use it day in day out and 
probably set up tons of them a week? For those of us that are not savy in the 
routing and masquerading such as yourself it is more difficult.

I agree it has many features but I just did not have all the time to dedicate 
to learn all the little tweaks and configs and when I asked for help on the 
forum and received none well I decided to switch to something that had some 
kind of support with it such as Brilan. 

Quoting Eje Gustafsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> IMO it is.
> 
> Takes me less then 15minutes from a clean drive until I have MikroTik
> installed and working (doing routing or masquerading).
> 
> Does Brilan offer you ability to bandwidth limit peer to peer
> networking traffic such as kazaa ? MikroTik 2.8 does give you that
> option. This has been IMO a extremely big drawback with MikroTik since
> when it come to peer to peer that is where you really need it and all
> the peer to peer products out there are really sneaky and if you block
> their default port they will either start using port 80 or just start
> picking random ports so the only way you can do bandwidth shaping on
> them is by doing layer 7 filtering with signature recognition.
> 
> Best regards,
>  Eje Gustafsson                       mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> The Family Entertainment Network      http://www.fament.com
> Phone : 620-231-7777                  Fax   : 620-231-4066
>      - Your Full Time Professionals -
> MikroTik OEM - online store http://www.fament.net/
> --
> JL> Why cant Mikrotik be as easy as Brilan is? I plugged my first Brilan box
> in
> JL> and I was up and going in literally 20 minutes. I personally think
> Brilan
> JL> rocks for bandwidth managment. JMO
> JL> Superior Wireless
> JL> New Orleans,La.
> JL> www.superior1.com
> JL> ----- Original Message ----- 
> JL> From: "Eje Gustafsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> JL> To: "Martin Moreno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> JL> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:51 PM
> JL> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Client Authentication
> 
> 
> >> I'm not going to say anything about Brilan because I don't know about
> >> it.. But.. Mikrotik is not a pain once you gotten the GUI up and
> >> running it is very easy if you understand TCP/IP and routing. If you
> >> don't know TCP/IP or routing then NO router os will be easy.
> >> The CLI in MikroTik if you read over the manual and learn how it works
> >> is actually very easy to work with. Any time you want to be given your
> >> options hit tab twice type in next option then hit tab twice again and
> >> you get the new options. It makes it really easy to do things without
> >> knowing the commands or have a printed manual.
> >> Winbox to me at least is very self explanatory. I can't say that about
> >> the java stuff they had in 2.5 but 2.5 is years old.
> >>
> >> As for support MT might sometimes not be the quickest to answer and
> >> sometimes I know they get very frustrated especially when the one
> >> asking for support show a lack of understanding of TCP/IP and routing
> >> (not saying you do) which understandable can be very frustrating
> >> because at $45 you shouldn't expect a 101 lesson in TCP/IP or routing.
> >>
> >> Also there are other means of support. I offer paid support for MT if
> >> you need help I'm more then willing to help you out (but for a fee of
> >> course) and often if you buy the hardware from me and you need some
> >> basic help and hand holding in getting started I will try my best to
> >> help you going to certain limits. On a complete router that I sell for
> >> $365 don't expect to get 3-5 hours of free technical support.. Sure If
> >> I would sell the same unit for $995 then I would have no problem
> >> throwing in 3-5 hours free technical support but now I sell it as
> >> cheap as possible to make it as affordable unit for everyone.
> >>
> >> As for hopes v2.8 of MikroTik has very nice bw configuration one rule
> >> for upload and download. Heck even 2.7 if you just want to bandwidth
> >> limit a customer don't take anything extra. Just create one rule for
> >> up and one for down.
> >> For $45 you can hardly get much better.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>  Eje Gustafsson                       mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> The Family Entertainment Network      http://www.fament.com
> >> Phone : 620-231-7777                  Fax   : 620-231-4066
> >>      - Your Full Time Professionals -
> >> eBay UserID : macahan
> >> --- 
> >> searchable smartBridges mailing list archive.
> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/smartbridges40part-15.org/
> >> --
> >> MM> Brilan is way easier to deal with althought the mikrotik has more
> JL> features but
> >> MM> Brilan will have the same by the end of the year. The brilan demo
> keep
> JL> in mind
> >> MM> only works for 2 hours then you have to reboot the box to get
> another
> JL> 2 hours I
> >> MM> found this out the hard way. It will not work well on those all in
> one
> JL> machiens
> >> MM> like HP, Compaq etc.. I had mine up and running in less then a 1/2
> JL> hour
> >> MM> Miktorik is a pain in the ass to set up and maintain with the gui as
> JL> well as
> >> MM> without the command line interface.. and trying to get support
> forget
> JL> ti I went
> >> MM> 3 months postig to their mail forum trying to figure out how to do
> JL> bridge mode
> >> MM> and no one ever answered so I went to Brilan Tony is awesome and
> JL> sometimes
> >> MM> answers at wierd hours when you least expect it which is awesome..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> MM> You have to jump throug 3-4 hoops to make a bandwidth queue then mac
> >> MM> autehntication is a pain then you haev to do several other thigns to
> JL> throttle
> >> MM> one customer where as brilan takes abotu 2 steps and takes me less
> JL> then 2 min
> >> MM> to configure a user..
> >>
> >>
> >> MM> Quoting Gloria Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>
> >> >> OK, can you help me figure out why the MikroTik router software I
> JL> downloaded
> >> >> and burned to CD won't load on the box we built for it?  I have
> burned
> JL> the CD
> >> >> three times, downloaded the file twice, but it will not load.  When I
> JL> try to
> >> >> boot from the CD, it comes up to the first line, something about
> JL> loading a
> >> >> kernel, then beeps and throws garbage on the screen that continues
> JL> rolling
> >> >> until you shut it off.  We built a box with an ECS K7S5A mobo, 700
> MHz
> JL> AMD
> >> >> proc, 3 GB HD, and standard AGP video card.  Any ideas?  I have been
> on
> JL> the
> >> >> air for over a month now with no bandwidth control, even though I am
> JL> selling
> >> >> tiered bandwidth, because I have not been able to get anything
> working.
> JL> I
> >> >> tried the BriLan demo and couldn't get it working, now the MikroTik
> JL> won't
> >> >> even load.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for any help,
> >> >> Gloria
> >> >>
> >> >>   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >>   From: Kevin Summers
> >> >>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >>   Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 6:35 PM
> >> >>   Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Client Authentication
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>   The MikroTik router OS runs on just about any old PC you might
> >> >>   have laying around. Throw two network cards into it and you've got
> >> >>   a router.
> >> >>   Kevin Summers
> >> >>   KISTech Internet Services Inc.
> >> >>   www.kistech.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>     -----Original Message-----
> >> >>     From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sevak Avakians
> >> >>     Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:51 PM
> >> >>     To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >>     Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Client Authentication
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>     Hi Kevin,
> >> >>
> >> >>     I've taken a look at MicroTik's website and it seems to be
> software
> JL> that
> >> >> runs on a desktop.  Is this correct or is it a separate piece of
> JL> hardware
> >> >> similar to a Linksys or Cysco, etc. router?
> >> >>
> >> >>     Thanks,
> >> >>     Sevak
> >> >>
> >> >>     On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 19:25, Kevin Summers wrote:
> >> >> Actually it's just the PPTP and HotSpot clients that get the
> >> >> DHCP addresses. PPPoE clients just get their assigned IP from
> >> >> the PPPoE login.
> >> >>
> >> >> The MikroTik router actually handles the HotSpot login page. Through
> >> >> the use of Firewall rules we've set things up to allow a link from
> >> >> the HotSpot login page to a secure page on our web server so that
> >> >> people can sign up.
> >> >>
> >> >> Kevin Summers
> >> >> KISTech Internet Services Inc.
> >> >> www.kistech.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:14 PM
> >> >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Client Authentication
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Kevin,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Question,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Why do you need to give your clients a DHCP IP ?  The PPPOE does
> that
> >> >> > already correct? Also, using the hotspot stuff, if a custoemer
> JL> assoicates
> >> >> > with one of my APs, could i setup a way so that they could only get
> JL> to my
> >> >> > webserver?  or a speical page saying, you can get our signal ??
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Dennis
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >> > From: "Kevin Summers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:23 PM
> >> >> > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Client Authentication
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > We're using the MikroTik Router OS for PPTP, PPPoE, and HotSpot
> >> >> > > authentication using username and password. No WEP encryption on
> >> >> > > any of the network. If it's so insecure, why take the performance
> >> >> > > hit. Can't do WEP when doing HotSpot anyway...
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Radios and such are on private static IPs, customers get a
> private
> >> >> > > DHCP IP until they log in, then they are given either their NATed
> >> >> > > private DHCP IP, or their public static IP.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Kevin Summers
> >> >> > > KISTech Internet Services Inc.
> >> >> > > www.kistech.com
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rudolph
> JL> Worrell
> >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 4:08 PM
> >> >> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> > > > Subject: [smartBridges] Client Authentication
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > How do you authenticate your customers?  I am simply suing WEP
> JL> and a
> >> >> > DHCP
> >> >> > > > server.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > How many IP's do you have in your IP pool?  I have 1000 but I
> am
> >> >> > > > not sure it
> >> >> > > > will be enough when I get up to about 250 customers.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > I use a separate IP scheme for the CPE and backhuals and this
> JL> works
> >> >> > fine.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Anyone else doing this?
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > --
> >> >> > > > Rudolph Worrell
> >> >> > > > President
> >> >> > > > Phone:(540)664-3950
> >> >> > > > Fax:(270)458-6431
> >> >> > > > www.wave2net.com
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