That is a long time until then. I and I think MikroTik is late in
bringing this to us.

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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
>> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 1:40 AM
>> To: Joe Laura
>> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Client Authentication
>> 
>> 
>> IMO it is.
>> 
>> Takes me less then 15minutes from a clean drive until I have 
>> MikroTik installed and working (doing routing or masquerading).
>> 
>> Does Brilan offer you ability to bandwidth limit peer to peer 
>> networking traffic such as kazaa ? MikroTik 2.8 does give you 
>> that option. This has been IMO a extremely big drawback with 
>> MikroTik since when it come to peer to peer that is where you 
>> really need it and all the peer to peer products out there 
>> are really sneaky and if you block their default port they 
>> will either start using port 80 or just start picking random 
>> ports so the only way you can do bandwidth shaping on them is 
>> by doing layer 7 filtering with signature recognition.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>>  Eje Gustafsson                       mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> The Family Entertainment Network      http://www.fament.com
>> Phone : 620-231-7777                  Fax   : 620-231-4066
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>> MikroTik OEM - online store http://www.fament.net/
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>> JL> Why cant Mikrotik be as easy as Brilan is? I plugged my 
>> first Brilan 
>> JL> box in and I was up and going in literally 20 minutes. I 
>> personally 
>> JL> think Brilan rocks for bandwidth managment. JMO Superior Wireless
>> JL> New Orleans,La.
>> JL> www.superior1.com
>> JL> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> JL> From: "Eje Gustafsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> JL> To: "Martin Moreno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> JL> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:51 PM
>> JL> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Client Authentication
>> 
>> 
>> >> I'm not going to say anything about Brilan because I don't 
>> know about 
>> >> it.. But.. Mikrotik is not a pain once you gotten the GUI up and 
>> >> running it is very easy if you understand TCP/IP and 
>> routing. If you 
>> >> don't know TCP/IP or routing then NO router os will be 
>> easy. The CLI 
>> >> in MikroTik if you read over the manual and learn how it works is 
>> >> actually very easy to work with. Any time you want to be 
>> given your 
>> >> options hit tab twice type in next option then hit tab twice again 
>> >> and you get the new options. It makes it really easy to do things 
>> >> without knowing the commands or have a printed manual. 
>> Winbox to me 
>> >> at least is very self explanatory. I can't say that about the java 
>> >> stuff they had in 2.5 but 2.5 is years old.
>> >>
>> >> As for support MT might sometimes not be the quickest to 
>> answer and 
>> >> sometimes I know they get very frustrated especially when the one 
>> >> asking for support show a lack of understanding of TCP/IP 
>> and routing 
>> >> (not saying you do) which understandable can be very frustrating 
>> >> because at $45 you shouldn't expect a 101 lesson in TCP/IP or 
>> >> routing.
>> >>
>> >> Also there are other means of support. I offer paid 
>> support for MT if 
>> >> you need help I'm more then willing to help you out (but 
>> for a fee of
>> >> course) and often if you buy the hardware from me and you 
>> need some 
>> >> basic help and hand holding in getting started I will try 
>> my best to 
>> >> help you going to certain limits. On a complete router that I sell 
>> >> for $365 don't expect to get 3-5 hours of free technical support.. 
>> >> Sure If I would sell the same unit for $995 then I would have no 
>> >> problem throwing in 3-5 hours free technical support but 
>> now I sell 
>> >> it as cheap as possible to make it as affordable unit for everyone.
>> >>
>> >> As for hopes v2.8 of MikroTik has very nice bw 
>> configuration one rule 
>> >> for upload and download. Heck even 2.7 if you just want to 
>> bandwidth 
>> >> limit a customer don't take anything extra. Just create 
>> one rule for 
>> >> up and one for down. For $45 you can hardly get much better.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >>  Eje Gustafsson                       mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> The Family Entertainment Network      http://www.fament.com
>> >> Phone : 620-231-7777                  Fax   : 620-231-4066
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>> >> MM> Brilan is way easier to deal with althought the 
>> mikrotik has more
>> JL> features but
>> >> MM> Brilan will have the same by the end of the year. The 
>> brilan demo 
>> >> MM> keep
>> JL> in mind
>> >> MM> only works for 2 hours then you have to reboot the box to get 
>> >> MM> another
>> JL> 2 hours I
>> >> MM> found this out the hard way. It will not work well on 
>> those all 
>> >> MM> in one
>> JL> machiens
>> >> MM> like HP, Compaq etc.. I had mine up and running in less then a 
>> >> MM> 1/2
>> JL> hour
>> >> MM> Miktorik is a pain in the ass to set up and maintain 
>> with the gui 
>> >> MM> as
>> JL> well as
>> >> MM> without the command line interface.. and trying to get support 
>> >> MM> forget
>> JL> ti I went
>> >> MM> 3 months postig to their mail forum trying to figure 
>> out how to 
>> >> MM> do
>> JL> bridge mode
>> >> MM> and no one ever answered so I went to Brilan Tony is 
>> awesome and
>> JL> sometimes
>> >> MM> answers at wierd hours when you least expect it which is 
>> >> MM> awesome..
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> MM> You have to jump throug 3-4 hoops to make a bandwidth 
>> queue then 
>> >> MM> mac autehntication is a pain then you haev to do several other 
>> >> MM> thigns to
>> JL> throttle
>> >> MM> one customer where as brilan takes abotu 2 steps and takes me 
>> >> MM> less
>> JL> then 2 min
>> >> MM> to configure a user..
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> MM> Quoting Gloria Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >>
>> >> >> OK, can you help me figure out why the MikroTik router 
>> software I
>> JL> downloaded
>> >> >> and burned to CD won't load on the box we built for it?  I have 
>> >> >> burned
>> JL> the CD
>> >> >> three times, downloaded the file twice, but it will not load.  
>> >> >> When I
>> JL> try to
>> >> >> boot from the CD, it comes up to the first line, something about
>> JL> loading a
>> >> >> kernel, then beeps and throws garbage on the screen 
>> that continues
>> JL> rolling
>> >> >> until you shut it off.  We built a box with an ECS 
>> K7S5A mobo, 700 
>> >> >> MHz
>> JL> AMD
>> >> >> proc, 3 GB HD, and standard AGP video card.  Any ideas?  I have 
>> >> >> been on
>> JL> the
>> >> >> air for over a month now with no bandwidth control, 
>> even though I 
>> >> >> am
>> JL> selling
>> >> >> tiered bandwidth, because I have not been able to get anything 
>> >> >> working.
>> JL> I
>> >> >> tried the BriLan demo and couldn't get it working, now the 
>> >> >> MikroTik
>> JL> won't
>> >> >> even load.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks for any help,
>> >> >> Gloria
>> >> >>
>> >> >>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> >>   From: Kevin Summers
>> >> >>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >>   Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 6:35 PM
>> >> >>   Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Client Authentication
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>   The MikroTik router OS runs on just about any old PC you might
>> >> >>   have laying around. Throw two network cards into it 
>> and you've got
>> >> >>   a router.
>> >> >>   Kevin Summers
>> >> >>   KISTech Internet Services Inc.
>> >> >>   www.kistech.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>     -----Original Message-----
>> >> >>     From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> >> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of 
>> Sevak Avakians
>> >> >>     Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:51 PM
>> >> >>     To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >>     Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Client Authentication
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>     Hi Kevin,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>     I've taken a look at MicroTik's website and it seems to be 
>> >> >> software
>> JL> that
>> >> >> runs on a desktop.  Is this correct or is it a separate piece of
>> JL> hardware
>> >> >> similar to a Linksys or Cysco, etc. router?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>     Thanks,
>> >> >>     Sevak
>> >> >>
>> >> >>     On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 19:25, Kevin Summers wrote: Actually 
>> >> >> it's just the PPTP and HotSpot clients that get the DHCP 
>> >> >> addresses. PPPoE clients just get their assigned IP 
>> from the PPPoE 
>> >> >> login.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The MikroTik router actually handles the HotSpot login page. 
>> >> >> Through the use of Firewall rules we've set things up 
>> to allow a 
>> >> >> link from the HotSpot login page to a secure page on our web 
>> >> >> server so that people can sign up.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Kevin Summers
>> >> >> KISTech Internet Services Inc.
>> >> >> www.kistech.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> >> >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dennis 
>> >> >> > Burgess
>> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:14 PM
>> >> >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Client Authentication
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Kevin,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Question,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Why do you need to give your clients a DHCP IP ?  The 
>> PPPOE does 
>> >> >> > that already correct? Also, using the hotspot stuff, if a 
>> >> >> > custoemer
>> JL> assoicates
>> >> >> > with one of my APs, could i setup a way so that they 
>> could only 
>> >> >> > get
>> JL> to my
>> >> >> > webserver?  or a speical page saying, you can get our 
>> signal ??
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Dennis
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > From: "Kevin Summers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:23 PM
>> >> >> > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Client Authentication
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > We're using the MikroTik Router OS for PPTP, PPPoE, and 
>> >> >> > > HotSpot authentication using username and password. No WEP 
>> >> >> > > encryption on any of the network. If it's so insecure, why 
>> >> >> > > take the performance hit. Can't do WEP when doing HotSpot 
>> >> >> > > anyway...
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Radios and such are on private static IPs, customers get a 
>> >> >> > > private DHCP IP until they log in, then they are 
>> given either 
>> >> >> > > their NATed private DHCP IP, or their public static IP.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Kevin Summers
>> >> >> > > KISTech Internet Services Inc.
>> >> >> > > www.kistech.com
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> >> >> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf 
>> Of Rudolph
>> JL> Worrell
>> >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 4:08 PM
>> >> >> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> > > > Subject: [smartBridges] Client Authentication
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > How do you authenticate your customers?  I am 
>> simply suing 
>> >> >> > > > WEP
>> JL> and a
>> >> >> > DHCP
>> >> >> > > > server.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > How many IP's do you have in your IP pool?  I 
>> have 1000 but 
>> >> >> > > > I am not sure it will be enough when I get up to 
>> about 250 
>> >> >> > > > customers.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > I use a separate IP scheme for the CPE and backhuals and 
>> >> >> > > > this
>> JL> works
>> >> >> > fine.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Anyone else doing this?
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > --
>> >> >> > > > Rudolph Worrell
>> >> >> > > > President
>> >> >> > > > Phone:(540)664-3950
>> >> >> > > > Fax:(270)458-6431
>> >> >> > > > www.wave2net.com
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