Ed- Excellent idea that often gets overlooked when we get initial resolution to a problem- or just eat it.
There's no reason- except the other 25 jobs needing our attention- to simply use schedule as a reason to roll over, when a letter to the higher authority could still be sent citing the injustice so it doesn't fester itself again. We have two choices- fix the problem or live with it. If you have the ability to fix it, and don't, then you should lose the right to bitch about it. If any Forumites are in PA and want to share war stories about implementation of the PA UCC, on or off Forum, we'll present them to a senatorial aide who is coming in to our office tomorrow afternoon to meet with us and hopefully address some of this with L&I. We've had our questions ignored by L&I to date; we hope that they won't ignore a call from the senator's office. We don't lack ammo, but more is still better. We hope that pursuing legislative intervention won't take longer than solving a single one of these fiascos, and if it heads off some in the future, we'll be ahead. If not, we'll at least know we tried. glc -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Vining Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 11:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Telling an AHJ "No" ? Travis, the AHJ may have been at the top of the food chain for the FD, but not at the top of the code authority. He gets his authority from someone higher up, City council, county supervisors, or whatever. I once had a deputy state fire marshal tell me we had to sprinkler a noncombustible stairway, when the code said we didn't. He was adamant. I told him I would do it because the client had to get along with the project, but that I would take it up with his superiors. Several weeks afterward he called me with apologies, saying he had been wrong. In another case an AHJ said we had to treat a medical office building as a hospital. This time we had time, so I went unofficially to his leaders, suggesting that he needed a bit of training, both on the code and customer relations. We won. George is right. Stand up and fight, even if it has to be after the fact. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ed Vining 4819 John Muir Rd Martinez CA 94553 925-228-8792 ----- Original Message ---- From: Travis Mack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2007 8:27:26 AM Subject: RE: Telling an AHJ "No" ? George: I completely agree. Just a couple weeks ago, I had an AHJ review a set of plans/calcs. There was a small room that was light hazard. The room was about 150 sq ft. However, due to lights and such, we were 7.5' off 2 walls. I calc'd the head at 15gpm. He called and said he wanted it calc'd at 22.5 gpm. I started to tell him about the small room and how you take room area and divide by # of heads to get flow for small rooms in light hazard. The exact quote was: "Don't try to justify anything to me. You do what I want or this will not get approved." He then hung up, no further explanations. This was in a relatively small jurisdiction in UT and we have to deal with him frequently. It ended up costing about $500 to change the piping to give him what he wanted. Nothing was installed, but it required a change of pipe size and making a small loop. _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
