Good boy. Good boy. We've all been in the situation where one person or another, usually an chitect or AHJ or both, have bestowed omnipotence on themselves. I just got done with one where the architect didn't want pipes run under a soffit, in the soffitt or above the soffit. Another recent one I was called incompetent because the architect sent me the wrong structarural plans twice and when I finally got correct plans from the structural engineer (at no extra cost--she took pity) she warned me that they hadn't been accurately built to. The GC on this job told me to quit asking questions and just do the design. My son got a set that the architect had attached the wrong title block to and then was told, after going to the site and confirming a different footprint, number of stories, room layout, orientation,etc, on the building under construction and the plans he had, that he was wrong and must not know how to read plans. And of course any of us can go on and on with this but I've found that most AHJs are aware of their limitations, as I hope we all are, and are more than willing to collaborate as long as they're treated respectfully and in a collaborative manner. It's architects that are oftyen impossible. And of course there are any number of exceptions and derivations to such braod generalizations.
On 8/1/07, Matsuda, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > City of Dallas tries to treat all persons as "customers" including > public citizens, builders, architects, and contractors. We even have to > take mandatory customer service training classes which is a great help > for all of us. > > I agree with Ed. > If you have a problem with me, then I encourage you to speak to my > supervisors or even to city council members to voice your complaints. I > think I've learned most of my knowledge from listening to the many > patient sprinkler contractors in the area who were willing to take the > time to explain things to me. > > However, if I'm doing a good job, then please also voice your > appreciation. > Scold me and praise me like a dog...and I'll happily do my best to do > what's right. > > rick matsuda, city of dallas > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Vining > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:46 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Telling an AHJ "No" ? > > Travis, the AHJ may have been at the top of the food chain for the FD, > but not at the top of the code authority. He gets his authority from > someone higher up, City council, county supervisors, or whatever. > > I once had a deputy state fire marshal tell me we had to sprinkler a > noncombustible stairway, when the code said we didn't. He was adamant. > I told him I would do it because the client had to get along with the > project, but that I would take it up with his superiors. Several weeks > afterward he called me with apologies, saying he had been wrong. > > In another case an AHJ said we had to treat a medical office building as > a hospital. This time we had time, so I went unofficially to his > leaders, suggesting that he needed a bit of training, both on the code > and customer relations. We won. > > George is right. Stand up and fight, even if it has to be after the > fact. > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Ed Vining > 4819 John Muir Rd > Martinez CA 94553 > 925-228-8792 > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman at home.... _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
