Agreed John... Just wanted to invite those to enjoy the pics of what "could" happen... nothing more.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Drucker Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Re[2]: Elevator Pits and approved plans Chuck, As a code official I'm merely citing the code. Does that mean I agree, in many cases no. However according to the bazillion posts, conversations and outright complaints I've read, designers and contractors want code officials to follow the code, agree ? With that said as a designer, its your prerogative to provide protection above and beyond the code, we merely review for technical compliance. But make sure you advise the property owner because invariably they call us asking if its required by code and we have no choice but to cite the code. That's the way it is. I'm a firefighter too and given my druthers everything and I mean everything would be suppressed. John Drucker -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RFI - Bismarck Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Re[2]: Elevator Pits and approved plans In regards to the elevator protect / not to protect... As a sprinkler system "designer" and a fellow firefighter... I have some pictures of an elevator fire from a University campus building here in the area that evac'd the building... starting on top of the elevator... and caused massive $$ dollar damage. NO SPRINKLERS... Contact me off-forum and I can forward you the pics that I have... RFP Chuck -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Coastal Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 7:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[2]: Elevator Pits and approved plans Hello Cherokeefirepro, When the elevator installers complain about my heads in the shaft and tell me they are not needed I make them supply me and the AHJ proof they are not needed. Most times I get to eliminate the head from the top of the shaft, The head at the bottom is for the trash that is known to buildup down there. Saturday, August 23, 2008, 5:51:04 PM, you wrote: > One more question has anyone supplied documentation of hydraulic fluid being non-combustible? > This came up in the forum last year and I recall someone using FM data > to show that a > high flash point would meet the intent of NFPA 13. > ------Original Message------ > From: Forest Wilson > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: Elevator Pits and approved plans > Sent: Aug 23, 2008 5:07 PM > We are doing work in Westerville, Ohio. A school is installing a > "Limited Use/ Limited > Application" elevator. We submitted plans indicating approporiate modifications to the > existing sprinkler system to accomodate the new elevator shaft and mechanical room. > Our plans showed no sprinkler coverage in the elevator shaft. It > showed a sprinkler in > the elevator mech room with a water-flow switch to act as a shunt-trip. The plans were stamped and approved. > We completed the job and during the final inspection, the local > building inspector and > fire inspector questioned why there is no sprinkler in the shaft and demanded that we > supply documentation to the city regarding this. They also questioned > why we installed a > nwaterflow switch for the sprinkler in the mechanical room. When I explained that it was > to act as a shunt-trip and showed them my copy of the NFPA 13 > handbook, they replied > that they've never seen that before and we would have to supply documentation on that as well. > Of course, they are not Plan Examiners. They are Inspectors there to ensure compliance > with the Approved Plans. They refused to sign off on our installation. > Has anyone encountered this before? 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