Yes,

No, Limited Use/ Limited Application Elevators, or LULA's as there
commonly referred to are limited to 25 ft of travel and must be enclosed
in a rated hoistway. If the hoistway is of entirely non-combustible
construction (13-8.15.5.5), the car meets the requirements of (ASME)
A17.1, Part XXV , as non combustible (13-8.15.5.5) and the hydraulic
fluid is non combustible (13-8.15.5.2)  then sprinklers are not required
at the top or bottom of the hoistway. 

The elevator machine room is another issue and must be sprinklered and
with that main line power disconnect (shunt trip). Of course if you can
find a machineroomless unit then sprinklers arent required at all for
the elevator.

LULA's must also be provided with Phase I recall and Phase II fire
service if the fire department will use them.

Hope that helps

All references to the 2007 NFPA-13 and 2005 A17.1. Of course that's
merely my opinion, state or local amendments may be otherwise.

John Drucker



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Subject: Elevator Pits and approved plans

We are doing work in Westerville, Ohio. A school is installing a
"Limited Use/ Limited Application" elevator. We submitted plans
indicating approporiate modifications to the existing sprinkler system
to accomodate the new elevator shaft and mechanical room.
Our plans showed no sprinkler coverage in the elevator shaft. It showed
a sprinkler in the elevator mech room with a water-flow switch to act as
a shunt-trip. The plans were stamped and approved.
We completed the job and during the final inspection, the local building
inspector and fire inspector questioned why there is no sprinkler in the
shaft and demanded that we supply documentation to the city regarding
this. They also questioned why we installed a nwaterflow switch for the
sprinkler in the mechanical room. When I explained that it was to act as
a shunt-trip and showed them my copy of the NFPA 13 handbook, they
replied that they've never seen that before and we would have to supply
documentation on that as well.
Of course, they are not Plan Examiners. They are Inspectors there to
ensure compliance with the Approved Plans. They refused to sign off on
our installation.

Has anyone encountered this before? Did you fight them through a formal
appeals process or just do whatever they wanted?
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