negative on that. IF it is a 13R, then the entire building is 13R and a hose stream is not required. Take a peak at the annex A.6.8.2. The TC was a tad sloppy since we had this same issue on the old wording of 6.8.2. Until said otherwise, the philosophy that the entire building must qualify as a 13R should apply and Outside the Dwelling unit is still within that building.

I say IF since a garage is the main occupancy that can be separated HORIZONTALLY and be considered a separate building.

Roland

On Jan 8, 2009, at 5:10 AM, Todd Williams wrote:

OK. This is a garage below dwelling units. Does 6.7.2 apply or does 6.7.3? 2 allows you to drop the hose stream, etc., but 3 just says design per 13, which I interpret to mean all of 13, including hose demand.



At 07:24 AM 1/8/2009, you wrote:
Why would you include hose streams in #13R?
Do you include 750 GPM hose on ESFR?

glc

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I always include hose on that type of system (unless it is an
impounded water supply with no connections)


At 01:47 AM 1/8/2009, you wrote:
>Watch out! I don't think you can delete hose allowance for the parkade, as
>it is included in the design criteria for 13. Anyway, I have always
included
>it. Can someone else confirm?
>
>Tony
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
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Holsopple
>(forum)
>Sent: January 7, 2009 11:12 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: Apartment Building
>
>"Can the garage be protected with a 13 System and the apartments on top be
a
>13R System?"
>
>David,
>
>Depending on the area height limitations allowed by your state building >code, the entire building could be done per 13R if the parking garage is
for
>use by the tenants of that building and not "open to the public". Keep in >mind that 13R gives guidance for areas outside the dwelling unit which
would
>be designed similar to a 13 system without things like a hose allowance.
>
>There was a discussion awhile back that might appear in the archives
>pertaining to this very issue you may want to look up.
>
>Best Regards,
>Ken Holsopple
>Design Manager
>Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
>
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>
>I think I know this but I want to verify.
>
>Two story apartment building on top of a parking garage.
>
>Can the garage be protected with a 13 System and the apartments on top be a
>13R System?
>
>David Autry
>Plans Examiner
>Nebraska State Fire Marshal's Office
>246 S. 14th Street
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