George:

I'm sure many of us operate on that same basis, but what scares me about
this situation is "Who is then the Engineer of record?"

Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel:  970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire - this will
beinteresting)

I love boilerplate specs cause I love ignoring the plumbing designer's spec.

When they spec CSC GB heads, I smile. Cause what PE is going to bust my nuts
over ignoring the rest of his bs when we'd point out that the heads he
spec'd a) aren't available b) cause they're VRP'd and c) Tyco bought CSC a
decade ago, where have you been?  So we'd point out the licensing board
would likely look at this "practicing outside..." or just plain incompetent.

It hasn't gotten that far, but the ammo sits beside the keyboard, ready to
lock and load.

Can't tell ya how many times I've bitten my tongue from asking "so just how
many sprkrs have you bought in your life?" But my colleague on the left
coast has the all-time absolutely best story of putting a PE in his place
that will ever exist on this earth. The GC's PM, after he got off the floor
(ROTFL) observed it was the funniest thing he'd ever heard in his career.
And to hear it, my colleague and you would have to be at a convention....at
a bar...cause no way I can reveal either the gist of the story, the
colleague's name, and he tells it SO much better than I ever could. San
Diego, next Oct, you'll have to get the suite # from the redhead. Although
the way this year looks, we may be in a closet- Marriott upgrades gold level
to suites free, but I don't think we're in a Marriott this year :(

glc


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