It doesn't happen often, but several years ago, a North Carolina PE was punished for fire protection offenses and had his license revoked. What made it worse; the individual had many years of fire protection engineering and design experience, but among his transgressions, he lost his ethical balance and was caught stamping documents for projects he was not involved in.
I am registered in quite a few states and common offenses are (1) failure to obey the engineering laws of the state (2) practicing out of ones area of expertise (3) practicing engineering without a license. Usually the first offense gets one reprimanded, but it's on one's record forever. In SC, the state board members review complaints thoroughly. I believe most states are the same. If you have a complaint, make sure to file it. http://www.llr.state.sc.us/POL/Engineers/PDF_Files/June%202000%20Board%20Newsletter.pdf http://www.llr.state.sc.us/POL/Engineers/PDF_Files/November%202001%20Board%20Newsletter.PDF (2 instances) http://www.llr.state.sc.us/POL/Engineers/PDF_Files/NewsLtr12003.pdf (2 instances) Here's an example of a PE that got busted in North Carolina. See p 15. http://www.ncbels.org/newsletters/winter2008.pdf It's not always the non-fire protection PEs, who get themselves into trouble. You'll find the case V03-015 on page 6 very interesting. http://www.ncbels.org/newsletters/fall2004.pdf What's troubling is that I used to work with this guy and he should know better. Whether it's a misguided engineer, piping or plumbing designer, I agree we all need to keep them straight. If a 2x4 doesn't work, a formal complaint is in order. James L.(Jim) Roberts, PE/SET Fluor Corporation 100 Fluor Daniel Drive - C104F Greenville, SC 29607 864.281.5149 864.281.4916(Fax) Roland Huggins <[email protected]> Sent by: [email protected] 01/09/2009 10:25 AM Please respond to sprinklerforum To SprinklerFORUM <[email protected]> cc Subject Re: The Engineering Problem submitting that form will certainly help you vent BUT unless someone dies or something falls down, it's unlikely much will happen to the PE. At least based on relatively recent and granted only one state, but a PE rejected plans two of the many listed deficiencies were: you can not have two piping arrangements on a single floor (open floor plan was gridded and next to the elevators, 6 enclosed room had a single branch line and you can not have 6 sprinklers on a 1 inch branch line. The 1 inch branch line supplied the enclosed rooms that were each based on the room design with one sprinkler per room. WONG but despite the contractor taking great effort to have the Board at least tell the PE to stop playing in fire protection NADA. In the annual reports from the states I am registered in, I have never seen anyone even chastised for a fire protection offense. I can't say I have studied or even read every report though. I suspect part of the problem is that the Board of registration is made up of core engineers that know nothing about fire protection so unless something falls down or some one dies, such offenses must seem simply minor. If anyone has seen a charge supported against such an offense, contact me off-Forum. Roland On Jan 8, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Thom McMahon wrote: > For those of you that know me well you'll understand when I say > "Conflict > resolution is when you carry the "Biggest Stickus" (No sexual > connotation at > all.) If you're ready to pulverize someone, be it in court or on the > playground, they'll usually back down. > > I once took a conflict resolution class, I had to leave early to avoid > punching out the "If you keep it professional" and "don't get > personal, or > take it personal" you can resolve anything wench, so there is a "WIN/ > WIN" > I'm sorry, but I know when I've lost! How can I not take it > personal, my > money and I are very close! Corp. money may require the "Big > Picture", but > I'm a sole proprietor, and I AM THE BIG PICTURE!!! > > As I get older, it seems more self evident that most Dumb Ass > engineers (No > one we associate with.)will only respond if you threaten to rip > their heads > off and crap down their pie hole.(And they said the therapy wasn't > helping!) > I've recently loaded the complaint form for the for the state board > of Lic. > for Arch. Eng. And surveyors. I expect it will be much used in the > coming > economic reality when Low price design teams will be king even more > than > they are now. > > TMTOMH _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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