Have you looked at the Flexhead for duct?  No need of access doors for head 
inspection, easy removal for inspection and cleaning or replacement.  

Also remember that however much water you dump into this duct, the supports 
must be able to support that extra weight.  Depending on how the system is set 
up to drain, it may end up holding more water at times than it is draining.  
Make sure you relate the potential amount of water present in the duct to the 
structural engineer and the mechanical engineer.  No point in extinguishing the 
fire and then have the whole thing collapse due to weight.  


Craig L. Prahl, CET   
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
[email protected]
http://www.ch2m.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:42 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Calculating sprinklers in horizontal grease ducts

Ron typically if you asked what to design to  I'd say to calc all of the heads 
in the duct. Rarely see grease duct with more than 36x36 or 24x48. As far as 
density goes I'd calc a .20 but that really won't matter since the 7Psi will 
flow more than that except in a really large duct. We find in duct heads to be 
problematic, as each requires a fire rated access door, and the heads and duct 
never seem to be properly cleaned. I'd look for another alternative.

Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel:  970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:49 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Calculating sprinklers in horizontal grease ducts

Mike,

 ANSWERS IN CAPS

and meet the intent?

ALTHOUGH iIT MAY MEET THE INTENT IT DOESN'T MEET THE LISTING AND THAT'S WHAT 
I'M CONCERNED WITH.

Any possibility of the UV duct hood cleaners and reduction of protection, i.e. 
what I've heard about the B.C. experience?

THIS IS POSSIBLE--ROTO-CLONE, ELECTROSTATIC PRECIPITATOR, ACTIVATED CHARCOAL 
FILTER, ETC., BUT I'D RATHER AVOID THESE EXPENSIVE AND TYPICALLY MAINTENANCE 
NEGLECTED DEVICES.

If you use sprinks, can you recommend a "watertight" duct system with enough 
slope to take the water to a "safe" place?  Like outside?

GREASE DUCTS ARE WELDED AND THEREFORE GREASE/WATER TIGHT BY DESIGN.
EVERY TURN AND LOW POINT REQUIRES AN INSPECTION/CLEANING ACCESS PLATE (ALSO 
GREASE TIGHT) AND WILL THEN EITHER DRAIN BACK TO THE HOOD, AN ELBOW WITH ACCESS 
OR OUTSIDE.

I'd calc every one of them....... up to the equivalent design area of the 
building.

I'D CALC EVERYONE ALSO BUT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS GUIDANCE ON THE HAZARD 
AND/OR DENSITY.

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Michael Fitz <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ron,

--
Ron Greenman
at home....
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