Has anyone read the RFQ? Was the intent for a remodel (tenant improvement) or a 
re-build to meet current codes? The UFGS is a guide specification and is 
suppose to be edited for each project. If the spec. wasn't edited to suit the 
project it would include bunch of stuff that probably isn't applicable. The 
spec's can be applied with common sense appropriate to the project or parsed to 
make compliance impossible (at a reasonable cost). After all it is a light 
hazard MOB not high piled storage.

And don't forget that grooved couplings can only be used above a sheet rock 
ceiling if the plans (Architectural) show an access panel at each coupling. 
Couplings require regular adjustment according to UFGS.

Ron Fletcher
Aero Automatic Sprinkler
Phoenix, AZ 85024

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 2:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: review of sprinkler plans ends up with GC requesting the reviewer 
to provide additional plan sheet because contractor don´t want to

Scot,

As the cat slowly escapes his bag: Sounds like a Federal Job (they do
have the military still) but the spec sounds like it's written by a
contracting officer rather than a Government PE. The Corps and NAVFAC
guys are pretty savvy. You should get real familiar with Unified
Facilities Guide Specifications (UFGS), SpecsIntact  & the Unified
Facilities Criteria (UFC) if doing work for the military. Here's
alink:

http://www.wbdg.org/ccb/browse_org.php?o=70

If the guy writing the spec had followed his own rules your life would
be much improved at this time. You may still be able to use your newly
acquired knowledge to your advantage in a, "According to your own
guidelines here's how you guys were supposed to do things like this,"
debate. Bon chance.

On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:54 AM, å... .... <[email protected]> wrote:
> Again, accept my thanks.to all of you. seriously.
> i will take the black and the blue
> cause i am learning on you.
> I am not out to break the contractor's bank.
> working with this national contracting company--
>  at least this office of theirs-- has been  frustrating
>  and time consuming.
>
> the specs are not ideal.
> the specs are for the GC, who hires the sprinkler contractor
>  and then hires an engineer to review the sprinkler
>  contractor's drawings (me).
>
>
>
> I want the government to get a reasonable product, and
>  receive a water supply description they can refer to in the future,
>  because these buildings have a service life of 35-50
>  years and will probably be
>  renovated again, like they
>  were before in '94.
>
> So, I will let the earthquake bracing issue fall.
> I don't want to be unreasonable, just that almost all
> military jobs I worked on, seismic is required,
> regardless if the job is in Oklahoma or in Northridge, CA.
> it seemed like a natural thing to ask for.
>
> Regarding waterflow, I would be happy with a JPEG of the
> UG piping plan splashed on a sheet, or
> even hand drawn layout.  Just document the underground
> and water supply like NFPA 13 asks.  The renovation has
> a changed wall layout, and new design area.  To get the UG
> water supply and waterflow information documented, the
> GC is forwarding to me the civil engineer's work, and I am going to put the
> UG piping
> and  waterflow on a new sheet with my letterhead and name.
> This is the quickest way to get it done.
>
> The government PE (I am not sure if it is the same one that
> wrote the spec, but i got a suspicion) has stated to the GC
> that they are concerned the contract FPE (me) has not been
> doing his job.
>
> that was after i went through 3 plan check cycles with this
> contractor on another project, over the same things.  The
> government PE apparently did not have a clue about
> what was going on, or the sprinkler contractor gave him a
> clue.  Earthquake bracing was provided on that project as
> it was new construction.  same specs were used though.
>
> I think the military contract FPE model is tweaked.
> the contract FPE serves two masters.  but only
> one pays me:  the GC.  only thing is, the other master
> is the one that pays the GC.
>
>
>
> scot deal
> excelsior fire
> _______________________________________________
> Sprinklerforum mailing list
> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected]
>
> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected]
> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
>



-- 
Ron Greenman
at home....
_______________________________________________
Sprinklerforum mailing list
http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected]

To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected]
(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)

_______________________________________________
Sprinklerforum mailing list
http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected]

To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected]
(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)

Reply via email to