I was waiting for the brothers Sornsin to chime in with waa waaa on the single 
digits- but in Oct last year, the freezer going down was about the same as 
outside, fitters were starting to talk huntin and ice fishin.
Amazingly, Fargo is a degree warmer than my PA right now. Snowing on Thom....
So much for global warming

Glc
Meteorologist 

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 5:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Gulf Coast

I'm on board now with freeze protection.  Thanks for the info I just wasn't 
sure.  Remember I go into freezers to warm up in the winter.  That's literal.  
More than once I've been surveying inside a freezer and it was much warmer than 
outside.  I've only got about a 250 mile radius from about 030 deg to about 330 
deg that is colder than here.  Maybe the tip of Maine too.  So everyplace else 
in the lower 48 is relatively warm country.  How warm was the question.  

Certainly changes the pipe layout from the original when they said it would be 
heated. 0.8/2000 to 0.8/2600 grids to trees.  I'm going to have some fun.   

Chris Cahill, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
 
763-658-4483
763-658-4921 fax
 
Email: [email protected]
 
Mail: P.O. Box 69
        Waverly, MN 55390
 
Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
              Waverly, MN 55390

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 3:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Gulf Coast

Methinks Eric has an older version because It used to be what he says
but now its what David says.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Autry, David <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Where does it say 40dF?"
>
> NFPA 13 (2002, Edition) 8.15.3.1.1
>
> David Autry
> Plans Examiner
> Nebraska State Fire Marshal's Office
> 246 S. 14th Street
> Lincoln, NE 68508
> 402-471-9659
> 402-471-3118 fax
> www.sfm.ne.gov
>
> ** Note new email address: [email protected]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Shelton
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 3:19 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Gulf Coast
>
> Where does it say 40dF?  My copy of 13 says that were piping is subject to 
> freezing it shall be heated to 40dF.
>
>
> Eric J. Shelton, PE
> Senior Fire Protection Engineer
> Associate
>
> Hankins and Anderson
> Consulting Engineers
> 4880 Sadler Road Suite 300
> Glen Allen, VA 23060
>
> v: (804) 521.7105 f: (804) 217.8520
> http://www.haengineers.com
>
>
>  Do you really need to print this e-mail?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cliff Whitfield
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:05 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Gulf Coast
>
> Chris,
>
> Believe me, I live here (in the panhandle of Florida), it gets cold here at
> times.  I can remember plenty of times growing up that it got in the teens.
>
> Besides, I believe 13 says "reliably maintained at or above 40° F " so it
> doesn't really matter how long or how low it gets.  I would not think of
> designing a system around here and not have freeze protection if it were not
> in a conditioned space.
>
> Cliff Whitfield, SET
> President
> Fire Design, Inc.
>
> [email protected]
> www.fire-design.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:20 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Gulf Coast
>
> Note I'm a little north of the Gulf Coast if this question sounds a little
> odd.  Would you be looking at a dry system in an unheated warehouse within
> say 5 miles of the northern Gulf Coast?  Seriously I know it can get cool by
> our standards down there but it ain't cold.   But for how long?  Even a day
> or 2 in the mid 20's would that cause a freeze up problem in a 100,000
> sq.ft. plus building?  Just wondering what the norm is for dealing with cool
> weather.  I know I've been in the Tampa and Orlando area and seen plenty of
> exterior wet risers not to mention the double checks off the UG.  My
> question is a little more LA specific.
>
>
>
> Chris Cahill, P.E.
>
> Fire Protection Engineer
>
> Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
>
>
>
> 763-658-4483
>
> 763-658-4921 fax
>
>
>
> Email: [email protected]
>
>
>
> Mail: P.O. Box 69
>
>        Waverly, MN 55390
>
>
>
> Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
>
>              Waverly, MN 55390
>
>
>
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