Unsavory. Nice. That's the kind of word I love to use in lieu of greed and crook and the like. Unsavory.
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:53 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Point being, read the contract and the specs very carefully. There is much > ignorance in the AE realm on what the sprinkler contractor is to do. > Sometimes it's not all ignorance but just some unsavory persons looking for a > stooge on which to hang the undesirable or forgotten work. > > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection Specialist > Mechanical Department > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > [email protected] > http://www.ch2m.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman > Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:48 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Hangers > > Be careful though because out this way many of the lesser savvy AHJs are > interpreting this to mean that the sprinkler contractor is responsible for > proving the building will support the system and so the GCs are learning to > specify that in their contracts knowing they'll get backing. Some (both GCs > and AHJs) are even trying to require the sprinkler contractor to upgrade the > structure if necessary. I have even seen one contract that was trying to pin > the soils engineering on the sprinkler guy by requiring he verify that the > dirt work, foundations and structure were adequate. Just last week a friend > was contractually obligated for $16,000.00 worth of structural upgrades even > though not a part of the contract because the AHJ wouldn't release the > sprinkler permit until structural calcs were submitted with the plans. > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:13 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> I believe the general consensus the last time this was asked was that the >> requirement you quoted pertained to the hanger not the structure as >> specifying building requirements would be beyond the scope of NFPA 13. >> >> >> >> Craig L. Prahl, CET >> Fire Protection Specialist >> Mechanical Department >> CH2MHILL >> Lockwood Greene >> 1500 International Drive >> PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - >> 864.599.8439 [email protected] http://www.ch2m.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg >> Lindholm >> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:09 AM >> To: SprinklerFORUM >> Subject: Hangers >> >> It's Monday and the brain doesn't seem to be working right. >> >> Section 9.1.1.2 (2002) says that the the hangers shall be designed to >> support the water filled pipe plus 250#. Does the structure itself need to >> support that much, or just the hanger assembly itself. >> >> Gregory Lindholm >> Metro Fire Protection, Inc. >> 8693 SE 34th Ave. >> Owatonna, MN 55060 >> 507-451-9694 >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email >> to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email >> to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> > > > > -- > Ron Greenman > Instructor > Fire Protection Engineering > Bates Technical College > Tacoma, WA > > Member: > SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA AFAA, WSAFM > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Bates Technical College Tacoma, WA Member: SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA AFAA, WSAFM _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
