Put the head up in the 'ceiling jet', which is 12" deep for unobstructed
construction, and put the water on the floor (pattern unobstructed).

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd - FPDC [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 8:07 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Beam obstruction rules

I'm with you. Doesn't make sense.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 9, 2010, at 8:48 AM, "Cliff Whitfield" <[email protected]>  
wrote:

> George & everyone,
>
> I guess I made this more complicated than it is.  This guy basically  
> thinks
> that even when you locate the head so that it is in compliance with  
> the beam
> rule table and the beam does not block the discharge of the head,  
> you still
> treat the beam as if it were a wall and you can't space the head on  
> the
> other side of the beam more than 7'-6" off of the beam.  Does this  
> seem
> correct to you?
>
> In my opinion, once you meet the beam blocking rule, the beam does  
> not exist
> in terms of head layout and spacing.  Am I way off base here?
>
> Cliff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of  
> George Church
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 4:44 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Beam obstruction rules
>
> Spot on- and why we have prescriptive codes to apply- you did- he  
> nneds to
> understand you comply and that's it, absent clear and present danger,
> contractual obligations...
>
> glc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed  
> Kramer
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 6:38 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Beam obstruction rules
>
> Let me guess:  he doesn't have an issue with sprinkler spray  
> obstruction,
> but has an issue with heat flow getting to the sprinkler.  Assuming  
> that's
> the case, he may (or may not) have a point - your beams are 15" deep  
> and
> heat would more likely flow parallel to the beams rather than cross  
> under
> the beam & fuse the sprinkler.  To my knowledge, 13 doesn't address  
> that.
> Unless someone wants to do some fire modeling, it's all opinion and  
> theory.
>
> Ed Kramer
> Littleton, CO
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]  
>> [mailto:sprinklerforum-
>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Cliff Whitfield
>> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:02 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: Beam obstruction rules
>>
>> Todd,
>>
>> There are no lights or fans or ducts that would create an issue.  The
>> deflector is 6" below the deck so I only have 9" to worry about.  I'm
>> trying
>> to not say exactly what this guy has said so that I can get other
>> opinions
>> before I influence anyone's answer.
>>
>> If anyone else wants to throw in their two cents, that would be  
>> great.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Cliff
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd
>> Williams
>> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 3:59 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: Beam obstruction rules
>>
>> How far down is the deflector from the deck? Any lights/ceiling fans
>> that could be in the way?
>>
>>
>> At 04:39 PM 2/8/2010, you wrote:
>>> Forum,
>>>
>>> I have a question regarding beam obstruction rules for standard  
>>> spray
>>> uprights.
>>>
>>> I have a light hazard project that has 15" deep beams.  The first  
>>> beam
>> is
>> 9'
>>> from the wall and the next beam is 17' away from beam #1.  If I  
>>> space
>> my
>>> first head 5' away from beam #1 so that it is not an obstruction  
>>> (per
>> table
>>> 8.6.5.1.2-NFPA 13, 2007 ed), can my next head be 15' from head #1?
>> This is
>>> not supposed to be a trick question but I have a disagreement with  
>>> an
>> FPE
>> on
>>> this.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your insight on this one.
>>>
>>> Cliff Whitfield, SET
>>> President
>>> Fire Design, Inc.
>>>
>>> [email protected]
>>> www.fire-design.com
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sprinklerforum mailing list
>> [email protected]
>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
>>
>> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected]
>>
>> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:Sprinklerforum-
>> [email protected]
>> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sprinklerforum mailing list
> [email protected]
> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
>
> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected]
>
> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:Sprinklerforum- 
> [email protected]
> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sprinklerforum mailing list
> [email protected]
> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
>
> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected]
>
> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:Sprinklerforum- 
> [email protected]
> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sprinklerforum mailing list
> [email protected]
> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
>
> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected]
>
> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:Sprinklerforum- 
> [email protected]
> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
_______________________________________________
Sprinklerforum mailing list
[email protected]
http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum

For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected]

To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected]
(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)

_______________________________________________
Sprinklerforum mailing list
[email protected]
http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum

For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected]

To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected]
(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)

Reply via email to