How is he keeping the preaction valve tripped?
Is the panel in alarm with the solenoid energized?
The solenoid and/or panel may not be able to handle continuous
energization/alarm.
Also what if someone resets the panel?

Regards,

Mike Henke
Potter Electric

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George
Church
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:58 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Impaired preaction

Yup=-
And just plug it with a mech tee when repairs to the detection system
are
completed.


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Vining
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 11:27 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Impaired preaction

How will they get an alarm if a sprinkler operates.  They could install
a
waterflow indicator, but it would have to be removed if they ever use
the
preaction valve again.

Ed Vining

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Steve Leyton
<[email protected]>wrote:

> If it's a library, unless portions of the system are inappropriately
> exposed to sub-40 deg. temps, there isn't a code requirement that a
> library be protected by a particular KIND of system, just that it be
per
> the referenced standard (13).    Which gives the designer a choice,
that
> was likely exercised to mitigate the chance of a false discharge
> irreparably damaging books, archival collections, etc.   And likely
> specified that way.   I doubt you'll find a code violation, but the
> first cost of preaction was undertaken for a reason, so it's the
> library's decision to put it back into preaction service or not.
>
> Steve Leyton
> Protection Design & Consulting
> San Diego, CA
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ford,
> Charles
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 7:55 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Impaired preaction
>
> We have a customer whose pre-action system for a library is impaired
due
> to electrical/ detection
> problems. He has had a contractor trip it into a wet pipe system. We
are
> looking for a code reference
> prohibiting this kind of "repair". Is this possibly just an AHJ
> decision?
> Any suggestions?
>
> C. Burton Ford
> Designer- NICET Certified: Fire Alarm,
> Special Hazards, Sprinkler Design
> &Sprinkler Inspections
> NFPA CFPS
> Cintas Fire Protection-D-47
> Warminster, PA 18974
> Phone 267-487-1000
> Fax 267-487-1010
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Richardson, R
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:37 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Flexible Pipe
>
> The engineer quite likely means the use of high pressure steel braided
> rubber hose, or something
> similar.
>
> We have approved high pressure steel braided rubber hose for these
> situations often, as long as they
> installation is such that the hose remain submerged.  Not a whole lot
of
> better options that we are
> aware of at this point.
>
> Rich Richardson
> Seattle Fire Department
>
> >
> > Yeah you read this right.
> >
> > I'm reviewing a pacakge and the EOR has called out for flexible pipe
> at a
> > couple of areas where he thinks they can't use hard pipe to make the
> bends,
> > plus he is wanting some allowance for movement.  This is on a pier.
> >
> > So I've hunted even though in all my years dabbling in this I can't
> recall
> > such an animal.  Flexible connections and flexible drops are one
thing
> but a
> > 10-20 ft section of "flexible" pipe?
> >
> > Anyone ever heard or seen such a thing?
> >
> > He's not called out any manufacturer and is out of town right now so
I
> can't
> > ask what he had in mind.
> >
> > It's not a sprinkler system,  it's a 4" manual, dry standpipe line
> along the
> > pier.
> >
> >
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