An anonymous friend sent this privately but he was so right on I had to post it:

This is all very interesting.  Based on the current state of disarray in
the Architectural community, and overall low standards of care, my list
goes like this:

1. Smoke a fatty.
2.
3.
4.
5.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 7:21 AM, Richard Carr
<[email protected]> wrote:
> One that should be near the top of the list, "owner's certificate", I
> hope I live long enough to see one.
>
> Richard Carr, SET
> Design Manager
> Associated Sprinkler Co., LLC
> 336.373.3901 ext 217
> [email protected]
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Martin,
> Matthew
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 10:13 AM
> To: [email protected]; [email protected]
> Subject: RE: top five list
>
> In no particular order;
>        How are connecting the system to the Building? Critical
>      Water Flow.
>      Coverage.
>        Code Analysis, i.e. Building type, hazard levels... .
>        CLEAR Details on head types.
> In California, Sprinklers are a deferred approval for schools, One of
> the most common corrections from DSA (Division of the State Architect)
> are questions of structural attachment. Another is the city water flow
> analysis.
>
>
>
>
>
> Matthew Martin
> CQC Manager
> Suffolk Construction Company, Inc.
> Direct: 323-781-1778
> Cell: 949-892-7419
>
> www.suffolkconstruction.com
>
> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail-----Original
> Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg
> McGahan
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:23 AM
> To: [email protected]; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: top five list
>
> 1) If they don't KNOW what they are talking about, don't put it on the
> drawing - so CONFIRM their information (don't lay out sprinklers and put
> branchlines on the drawings as a guess)
> 2) CONFIRM the Occupancy type and pertinent codes - CRITICAL
> 3) SPECIFY with thought the design criteria - don't say .10/1,500  if
> you
> will allow reductions and large room rule calcs etc.
> 4) UNDERSTAND the project
> 5) WATER SUPPLY ANALYSIS - don't put fire pumps on drawings just to
> cover
> yourself.
>
> The details are easy for contractors to work through. The hard part is
> working behind BAD general info, incorrect code references, bad water
> supply
> data, heads laid out that are not even close and a contract that says
> you
> will comply with the (incorrect) drawings, etc.
>
> Greg
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Chris Cahill
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> I'd combine Craig's 4 and 5 and add a new 5 water supply analysis.
>>  Otherwise that is what the A/E should focus on.
>>
>> Chris
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <[email protected]>
>> Sender: [email protected]
>> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 06:37:18
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Reply-To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: top five list
>>
>> Duane,
>>
>> When you say consulting are you talking about A/E firms?
>>
>> In real basic, simple terms (definitely not all inclusive):
>>
>> A/E Fire Protection Specialist:
>> 1. Obtain description of the use of the occupancy.
>> 2. Identify applicable codes.
>> 3. Identify Insurance Underwriter, Risk Consultant, AHJ and any
> specific
>> additional requirements.
>> 4. Perform fire hazards analysis.
>> 5. Determine fire protection systems design criteria based on hazards
>> analysis, applicable codes and any additional requirements.
>>
>>
>> Contractor:  (not design/build)
>> 1. Obtain A/E drawings or occupancy descriptions
>> 2. Verify water data, code data, system design criteria
>> 3. Throw A/E drawings in the trash*
>> 4. See list of items under heading of A/E above.
>> 5. Prepare installation drawings.
>>
>>
>> *This is not applicable for all A/E submitted drawings and should not
> be
>> taken as an indictment against any A/E firm its engineers, designers
> or
>> other related staff, their families or pets, living or dead or in a
>> semi-comatose state stuck at their desk. Your results may vary.
>>
>>
>> Craig L. Prahl, CET
>> Fire Protection
>> CH2MHILL
>> Lockwood Greene
>> 1500 International Drive
>> Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
>> Direct - 864.599.4102
>> Fax - 864.599.8439
>> CH2MHILL Extension  74102
>> [email protected]
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:
>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Johnson, Duane
>> (NIH/OD/ORS) [C]
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 7:07 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: top five list
>>
>> I will be a guest lecturer at the Univ of Md next week.  I will be
>> providing a list of must do's while preparing sprinkler drawings.
> Knowing
>> that many students will be going to work for consulting firms and
> others to
>> installation firms, I want to provide input from both perspectives.
> So I
>> ask the forum the following questions... here is your chance to
> provide
>> input to future industry personnel:
>>
>>
>> If you were asked to provide a top 5 list that an engineer should
>> do/identify on a sprinkler design, what would they be?
>>
>>
>> What are the first 5 items a sprinkler designer should do when
> preparing
>> drawings?
>>
>>
>> Feel free to email me direct.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Duane Johnson, PE
>> Program Manager
>> Division of the Fire Marshal (Support Contractor)
>> Office of Research Services
>> National Institutes of Health
>> 301-496-0487
>>
>> "Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time"
>>
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