An anonymous friend sent this privately but he was so right on I had to post it:
This is all very interesting. Based on the current state of disarray in the Architectural community, and overall low standards of care, my list goes like this: 1. Smoke a fatty. 2. 3. 4. 5. On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 7:21 AM, Richard Carr <[email protected]> wrote: > One that should be near the top of the list, "owner's certificate", I > hope I live long enough to see one. > > Richard Carr, SET > Design Manager > Associated Sprinkler Co., LLC > 336.373.3901 ext 217 > [email protected] > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Martin, > Matthew > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 10:13 AM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: RE: top five list > > In no particular order; > How are connecting the system to the Building? Critical > Water Flow. > Coverage. > Code Analysis, i.e. Building type, hazard levels... . > CLEAR Details on head types. > In California, Sprinklers are a deferred approval for schools, One of > the most common corrections from DSA (Division of the State Architect) > are questions of structural attachment. Another is the city water flow > analysis. > > > > > > Matthew Martin > CQC Manager > Suffolk Construction Company, Inc. > Direct: 323-781-1778 > Cell: 949-892-7419 > > www.suffolkconstruction.com > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail-----Original > Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg > McGahan > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:23 AM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: top five list > > 1) If they don't KNOW what they are talking about, don't put it on the > drawing - so CONFIRM their information (don't lay out sprinklers and put > branchlines on the drawings as a guess) > 2) CONFIRM the Occupancy type and pertinent codes - CRITICAL > 3) SPECIFY with thought the design criteria - don't say .10/1,500 if > you > will allow reductions and large room rule calcs etc. > 4) UNDERSTAND the project > 5) WATER SUPPLY ANALYSIS - don't put fire pumps on drawings just to > cover > yourself. > > The details are easy for contractors to work through. The hard part is > working behind BAD general info, incorrect code references, bad water > supply > data, heads laid out that are not even close and a contract that says > you > will comply with the (incorrect) drawings, etc. > > Greg > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Chris Cahill > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I'd combine Craig's 4 and 5 and add a new 5 water supply analysis. >> Otherwise that is what the A/E should focus on. >> >> Chris >> -----Original Message----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> Sender: [email protected] >> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 06:37:18 >> To: <[email protected]> >> Reply-To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: top five list >> >> Duane, >> >> When you say consulting are you talking about A/E firms? >> >> In real basic, simple terms (definitely not all inclusive): >> >> A/E Fire Protection Specialist: >> 1. Obtain description of the use of the occupancy. >> 2. Identify applicable codes. >> 3. Identify Insurance Underwriter, Risk Consultant, AHJ and any > specific >> additional requirements. >> 4. Perform fire hazards analysis. >> 5. Determine fire protection systems design criteria based on hazards >> analysis, applicable codes and any additional requirements. >> >> >> Contractor: (not design/build) >> 1. Obtain A/E drawings or occupancy descriptions >> 2. Verify water data, code data, system design criteria >> 3. Throw A/E drawings in the trash* >> 4. See list of items under heading of A/E above. >> 5. Prepare installation drawings. >> >> >> *This is not applicable for all A/E submitted drawings and should not > be >> taken as an indictment against any A/E firm its engineers, designers > or >> other related staff, their families or pets, living or dead or in a >> semi-comatose state stuck at their desk. Your results may vary. >> >> >> Craig L. Prahl, CET >> Fire Protection >> CH2MHILL >> Lockwood Greene >> 1500 International Drive >> Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >> Direct - 864.599.4102 >> Fax - 864.599.8439 >> CH2MHILL Extension 74102 >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Johnson, Duane >> (NIH/OD/ORS) [C] >> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 7:07 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: top five list >> >> I will be a guest lecturer at the Univ of Md next week. I will be >> providing a list of must do's while preparing sprinkler drawings. > Knowing >> that many students will be going to work for consulting firms and > others to >> installation firms, I want to provide input from both perspectives. > So I >> ask the forum the following questions... here is your chance to > provide >> input to future industry personnel: >> >> >> If you were asked to provide a top 5 list that an engineer should >> do/identify on a sprinkler design, what would they be? >> >> >> What are the first 5 items a sprinkler designer should do when > preparing >> drawings? >> >> >> Feel free to email me direct. >> Thanks. >> >> Duane Johnson, PE >> Program Manager >> Division of the Fire Marshal (Support Contractor) >> Office of Research Services >> National Institutes of Health >> 301-496-0487 >> >> "Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> > > > > -- > Greg McGahan > Living Water Fire Protection, LLC > 1160 McKenzie Road > Cantonment, FL 32533 > 850-937-1850 > fax 850-937-1852 > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for > the intended recipient(s). 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