72 building? Apartment buildings?  How many units? Turning off domestic to a 
building during a fire is one solution.  But you can't turn off domestic supply 
to a 1,000 people because there is a fire somewhere.  How many water heaters do 
you empty,  the refill when service is restored.
Adequate infrastructure is part of development.  If my presumption of twelve 
units per apartment building, and population estimate are ballpark,  then the 
water in storage on a per capita basis is less than towns of 20,000 - 85,000 
persons store. It follows that a smaller population needs more per capita than 
a larger population.  Of course if they really have ability to say, pump 2,500 
gpm on a continuous basis for several hours, and the tank is elevated to 
operate as a standpipe, as the term is used in the hydroelectric industry, then 
the conversation is different.  
I think we need more information about complex,  size and height of buildings, 
access,  available FD response, evaluation of possibility of building to 
building spread. Then we need a description of the water supply.

In a bidder design eorld


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-----Original message-----
From: Art Tiroly <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 16:48:43 GMT+00:00
Subject: RE: domestic demand per nfpa 13

I see a bigger problem, keeping the tank full during peak domestic demands.
What refills the storage tank? How much do you need for sprinkler demand.
Does the domestic have pumping supply? Is that reliable for sprinkler?


Arthur Tiroly
ATCO Fire Protection Design
Tiroly and Associates
24400 Highland Rd rm 25, CLE 44143
216-621-8899
216-570-7030 Cell
WWW.ATCOfirepro.com

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:40 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: domestic demand per nfpa 13

Would a solenoid valve be approved in such a situation? 

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:40 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: domestic demand per nfpa 13

You could probably use the plumbing code tables (that's where the 13R stuff
comes from) for determining the demand.

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Joel Chaim
<[email protected]>wrote:

> I have a job that has a 15000 gallon tank for 72 buildings and they 
> want to use the existing tank for fire sprinkler as well.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roland 
> Huggins
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:15 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: domestic demand per nfpa 13
>
> Why are you asking since it is normally not included in the calculations.
>
> Roland
>
>
> On May 8, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Joel Chaim wrote:
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> > Is there a table for domestic demand as per NFPA. 13? I only saw it 
> > under NFPA 13 R.
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