Tried that, George. Local FM wants 13R. I'm not sure these units have proper fire separation. Two of them built in the late 1940s and the 3rd one added in the 1960s.
Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT www.fpdc.com On May 29, 2013, at 11:20 AM, George Church <[email protected]> wrote: > Couldn't treat em as 13d irc townhouses? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 29, 2013, at 11:06 AM, "Todd - Work" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> This is an older single story 3 family side-by-side structure. The 13R >> system is being retrofitted. I believe (am confirming) that they have local >> hard wired smoke detectors only. Located in MA. >> >> Todd G Williams, PE >> Fire Protection Design/Consulting >> Stonington, CT >> www.fpdc.com >> >> On May 29, 2013, at 9:19 AM, "Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C]" >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> NFPA 101:30.3.4.2.3 In buildings protected throughout by an approved, >>> supervised automatic sprinkler system in accordance with 30.3.5, required >>> fire alarm systems shall be initiated upon operation of the automatic >>> sprinkler system. >>> >>> Someone will need to go through Section 30.3.4.3 for notification >>> requirements as they very based on the number of dwelling units, building >>> height, etc. >>> >>> Ask for the code reference for the deficiency that is being noted. >>> >>> Here is the audibility requirement for sleeping areas: >>> >>> NFPA 72: 18.4.5 Sleeping Area Requirements. >>> 18.4.5.1 Where audible appliances are installed to provide signals for >>> sleeping areas, they shall have a sound level of at least 15 dB above the >>> average ambient sound level or 5 dB above the maximum sound level having a >>> duration of at least 60 seconds or a sound level of at least 75 dBA, >>> whichever is greater, measured at the pillow level in the area required to >>> be served by the system using the A-weighted scale (dBA). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Duane Johnson, PE >>> Program Manager >>> Division of the Fire Marshal (Contractor) >>> Office of Research Services >>> National Institutes of Health >>> 301-496-0487 >>> >>> "Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time" >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Greg McGahan [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:31 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: 13R local alarm >>> >>> mount it in the closet >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Todd - Work <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I was thinking that a 6" bell inside an apartment might be a little >>>> overkill as well as obtrusive. >>>> >>>> Todd G Williams, PE >>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting >>>> Stonington, CT >>>> www.fpdc.com >>>> >>>> On May 29, 2013, at 7:24 AM, Greg McGahan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am not sure what you are referring to exactly, but we often use a >>>>> flow switch wored to a 6" electric bell. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Todd - Work <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have an FM that wants local alarms for a 13R system within each >>>>>> unit >>>> (3 >>>>>> family house). Any suggestions on a small wall mounted unit? >>>>>> >>>>>> Todd G Williams, PE >>>>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting >>>>>> Stonington, CT >>>>>> www.fpdc.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl >>>> er.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Greg McGahan >>>>> Living Water Fire Protection, LLC <http://www.livingwaterfp.com> >>>>> 1160 McKenzie Road >>>>> Cantonment, FL 32533 >>>>> 850-937-1850 >>>>> fax 850-937-1852 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl >>>> er.org _______________________________________________ >>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl >>>> er.org >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Greg McGahan >>> Living Water Fire Protection, LLC <http://www.livingwaterfp.com> >>> 1160 McKenzie Road >>> Cantonment, FL 32533 >>> 850-937-1850 >>> fax 850-937-1852 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
