I just talked with technical support at Tyco and he said unless I use the 
special Attic heads above the cpvc I would have to enclose (conceal) the cpvc 
piping below. Looks like when it comes to a 13 system steel is the way to go...

Brian Harris, CET
BVS Systems Inc.
bvssytemsinc.com


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron 
Greenman
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:47 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: CPVC Applications

The "plastic" piping in the attic....


On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 7:46 AM, Ron Greenman <[email protected]> wrote:

> Or you could protect the piping in the attic with sprinklers, but then....
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Brian Harris 
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Starting to rethink this after reading the entire manual on the Tyco
>> site. This is a single story wood frame building, designed to
>> NFPA-13. The way I'm reading it the piping above the ceiling is
>> considered exposed and would have to be attached directly to the
>> ceiling, I was originally planning on running the branchlines
>> perpendicular to the framing and dropping pendents down into the ceiling, I 
>> guess this is a no-no?
>>
>> Brian Harris, CET
>> BVS Systems Inc.
>> bvssytemsinc.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:
>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron
>> Greenman
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:30 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: CPVC Applications
>>
>> Rod, I can't imagine an AHJ calling a daycare 13R. Tell me how it
>> falls into any R occupancy. I can see him granting a variance to 13
>> that allows omission of attic sprinklers if the design goal is
>> life-safety only, but he's taking a big risk. My read is that
>> daycare, except in that one special case where it's classified as an
>> E, is a B occupancy and if configured properly not need a system at
>> all. Not endorsing one thing over the other, just reading code. And how have 
>> you been?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 7:25 AM, JD Gamble <[email protected]
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > I believe FlameGuard (Spears) is listed for Low Pressure Dry
>> > Systems as well ...
>> >
>> > http://spearsmfg.com/**flameguard/FG-3-1010_0113_web.**pdf<http://s
>> > pea rsmfg.com/flameguard/FG-3-1010_0113_web.pdf>
>> >
>> > **
>> > Low Pressure Dry Pipe and Pre-action Systems In accordance with the
>> > UL® Listing, Spears® FlameGuard® CPVC Fire Sprinkler Products may
>> > be used in Low Pressure Dry Pipe and Pre-action System applications
>> > in Light Hazard and Residential occupancies in accordance with NFPA
>> > 13, 13D and 13R when subject to the following additional limitations:
>> > A CPVC Low Pressure Dry Pipe or Pre-action System is a piping
>> > system intended for use where piping could be subjected to freezing
>> > temperatures and water filled pipe cannot be utilized. The minimum
>> > rated temperature is -20° F (-29° C). Low Pressure Dry Pipe systems
>> > contain compressed air or nitrogen
>> > (gas) having an internal gage pressure of not more than 15 psig
>> > (105
>> kPa).
>> > These specially designed systems require separate control valve
>> > mechanisms for this application (supplied by others) that activate
>> > to release water into the dry piping section and to the sprinkler heads.
>> > The water-filled portion of the system control device must be in an
>> > area protected from freezing. It is the installer's responsibility
>> > to be sure the system is installed in accordance with the
>> > limitations of this manual and specifications of a Dry Pipe or
>> > Pre-action Fire Sprinkler System design Engineer for proper control
>> > devices, pipe sizing, and other important design and maintenance
>> > criteria applicable to each project. CPVC dry systems must be
>> > designed with the following maximum water delivery time delay.
>> >
>> > **
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > JD Gamble
>> > Life Safety Solutions of Sheridan
>> >
>> > 307-763-3361
>> > -----Original Message----- From: Forest Wilson
>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 8:02 AM
>> > To:
>> > sprinklerforum@lists.**firesprinkler.org<[email protected]
>> > pri
>> > nkler.org>
>> > Subject: Re: CPVC Applications
>> >
>> >
>> > I think Tyco has a CPVC listed for use in dry systems?
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Jul 17, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Rod DiBona <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >  Brian,
>> >>
>> >> Don't assume that because you have a wood framed building that you
>> >> must sprinkler the attic. Check with the engineer of record to see
>> >> if this system is supposed to be a 13 or 13R. Secondly you can't
>> >> run over an ordinary hazard room in a light hazard occupancy with
>> >> cpvc unless the room is 400 ft or less. And lastly CPVC is not
>> >> listed for a dry system and you can definitely not use it. A read
>> >> of the blazemaster install and specification manual is highly recommended.
>> >>
>> >> Rod at Rapid
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: sprinklerforum-bounces@lists.**firesprinkler.org<
>> [email protected]>[mailto:
>> >> sprinklerforum-**[email protected].**org<sprinklerforum-
>> >> bou
>> >> [email protected]>]
>> >> On Behalf Of Brian Harris
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 7:43 AM
>> >> To:
>> >> sprinklerforum@lists.**firesprinkler.org<[email protected]
>> >> spr
>> >> inkler.org>
>> >> Subject: CPVC Applications
>> >>
>> >> I'm doing a daycare facility and was leaning towards using
>> >> BlazeMaster CPVC but have a quick question. I know that it is
>> >> listed and approved for light hazard areas which is 90% of the
>> >> project, what do you do for the other 10%? Do I need to run steel
>> >> for the Kitchen, Janitor's Closet, and small Storage closet? Also,
>> >> since this is a wood framed building I need to sprinkle the Attic
>> >> but since it cannot be used for storage it is light hazard as
>> >> well, any reason I can't use
>> CPVC for the dry system as well?
>> >>
>> >> Brian Harris, CET
>> >> BVS Systems Inc.
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