A nice low differential dry pipe valve combined with a nitrogen generator is the way to go. All sch40 black. What would George say? TD
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rod DiBona Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: CPVC Applications Ahhh.. yes..... good catch.... I saw the statement " Also, since this is a wood framed building I need to sprinkle the Attic" and based comments on that. I can't see a daycare being 13R and hence the reason why it is a 13. Been well my friend hope you as well! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 8:30 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: CPVC Applications Rod, I can't imagine an AHJ calling a daycare 13R. Tell me how it falls into any R occupancy. I can see him granting a variance to 13 that allows omission of attic sprinklers if the design goal is life-safety only, but he's taking a big risk. My read is that daycare, except in that one special case where it's classified as an E, is a B occupancy and if configured properly not need a system at all. Not endorsing one thing over the other, just reading code. And how have you been? On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 7:25 AM, JD Gamble <[email protected]>wrote: > I believe FlameGuard (Spears) is listed for Low Pressure Dry Systems > as well ... > > http://spearsmfg.com/**flameguard/FG-3-1010_0113_web.**pdf<http://spea > rsmfg.com/flameguard/FG-3-1010_0113_web.pdf> > > ** > Low Pressure Dry Pipe and Pre-action Systems In accordance with the > UL® Listing, Spears® FlameGuard® CPVC Fire Sprinkler Products may be > used in Low Pressure Dry Pipe and Pre-action System applications in > Light Hazard and Residential occupancies in accordance with NFPA 13, > 13D and 13R when subject to the following additional limitations: > A CPVC Low Pressure Dry Pipe or Pre-action System is a piping system > intended for use where piping could be subjected to freezing > temperatures and water filled pipe cannot be utilized. The minimum > rated temperature is -20° F (-29° C). Low Pressure Dry Pipe systems > contain compressed air or nitrogen > (gas) having an internal gage pressure of not more than 15 psig (105 kPa). > These specially designed systems require separate control valve > mechanisms for this application (supplied by others) that activate to > release water into the dry piping section and to the sprinkler heads. > The water-filled portion of the system control device must be in an > area protected from freezing. It is the installer's responsibility to > be sure the system is installed in accordance with the limitations of > this manual and specifications of a Dry Pipe or Pre-action Fire > Sprinkler System design Engineer for proper control devices, pipe > sizing, and other important design and maintenance criteria applicable > to each project. CPVC dry systems must be designed with the following > maximum water delivery time delay. > > ** > > > > JD Gamble > Life Safety Solutions of Sheridan > > 307-763-3361 > -----Original Message----- From: Forest Wilson > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 8:02 AM > To: > sprinklerforum@lists.**firesprinkler.org<[email protected] > nkler.org> > Subject: Re: CPVC Applications > > > I think Tyco has a CPVC listed for use in dry systems? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 17, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Rod DiBona <[email protected]> wrote: > > Brian, >> >> Don't assume that because you have a wood framed building that you >> must sprinkler the attic. Check with the engineer of record to see if >> this system is supposed to be a 13 or 13R. Secondly you can't run >> over an ordinary hazard room in a light hazard occupancy with cpvc >> unless the room is 400 ft or less. And lastly CPVC is not listed for >> a dry system and you can definitely not use it. A read of the >> blazemaster install and specification manual is highly recommended. >> >> Rod at Rapid >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sprinklerforum-bounces@lists.**firesprinkler.org<sprinklerforum-bounces@list s.firesprinkler.org>[mailto: >> sprinklerforum-**[email protected].**org<sprinklerforum-bou >> [email protected]>] >> On Behalf Of Brian Harris >> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 7:43 AM >> To: >> sprinklerforum@lists.**firesprinkler.org<[email protected] >> inkler.org> >> Subject: CPVC Applications >> >> I'm doing a daycare facility and was leaning towards using >> BlazeMaster CPVC but have a quick question. I know that it is listed >> and approved for light hazard areas which is 90% of the project, what >> do you do for the other 10%? Do I need to run steel for the Kitchen, >> Janitor's Closet, and small Storage closet? Also, since this is a >> wood framed building I need to sprinkle the Attic but since it cannot >> be used for storage it is light hazard as well, any reason I can't use CPVC for the dry system as well? >> >> Brian Harris, CET >> BVS Systems Inc. >> Sprinkler Division >> bvssystemsinc.com<http://**bvssystemsinc.com/ >> <http://bvssystemsinc.com/> >> > >> Phone: 704.896.9989 >> Fax: 704.896.1935 >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> Sprinklerforum@lists.**firesprinkler.org<[email protected] >> inkler.org> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.**org/listinfo.cgi/** >> sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.**org<http://lists.firesprinkler.org/lis >> tinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> Sprinklerforum@lists.**firesprinkler.org<[email protected] >> inkler.org> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.**org/listinfo.cgi/** >> sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.**org<http://lists.firesprinkler.org/lis >> tinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.**firesprinkler.org<[email protected] > nkler.org> > http://lists.firesprinkler.**org/listinfo.cgi/** > sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.**org<http://lists.firesprinkler.org/list > info.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org> > ______________________________**_________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.**firesprinkler.org<[email protected] > nkler.org> > http://lists.firesprinkler.**org/listinfo.cgi/** > sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.**org<http://lists.firesprinkler.org/list > info.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org> > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. 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