imma monkey's uncle Ron, thanks!

> On Jan 17, 2014, at 6:32 PM, Ron Greenman <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Harold Wass, Brad. Many, many moons before Hass. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> It goes to about the same time Hass changed his name.
>> I wish Ron would comment on my recent question on the 'trapeze member 
>> sizing' thread'-- I like his mood right now (and it's Friday!)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Ben Young <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How does the Pope schedule start?  I know it ends with John Paul, Benedict,
>>> and then Francis.
>>> 
>>> Do we go all the way back to Peter, because that's a heck of a long
>>> schedule if so...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Benjamin Young
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Ron Greenman <[email protected]> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I believe the prohibition is based on the concept that the threads on 1/2
>>>> nipples or fittings are too weak, when subject to the bending forces
>>>> applied by a cantilevered weight as found in a goose necked drop to likely
>>>> survive a seismic event. The 4" nipple max has to do with limiting the
>>>> hydraulic degradation in a pope schedule scenario that has just been left
>>>> as written before Wass gave us a way to calculate a system.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Forest Wilson Fire Sprinkler Contractor <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I dont underatand how a fitting would be considered a pipe nipple.
>>>>> The prohibition against using 1/2" pipe in earthquake zones should not
>>>> apply to the use of street l fittings.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If it did, then the same argument could could made against using any
>>>> 1/2" fitting.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Forest Wilson
>>>>> Fire Sprinkler Contractor
>>>>> 937-736-0425
>>>>> 
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>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>> From: Ron Greenman <[email protected]>
>>>>> Date:01/17/2014  5:33 PM  (GMT-05:00)
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Subject: Re: "Street" elbows
>>>>> 
>>>>> I thought this was about using 1" st ells in a tight spot, not changing
>>>> uprights to pendants. And of course you can use them and they're readily
>>>> available through plumbing suppliers if your sprinkler supplier doesn't
>>>> have them. They come in reducing types, in black steel, galvy, stainless,
>>>> bronze, and in weights (strength) equivalent to schedule 40, 80, 120 & 160.
>>>> Very common for industrial boiler application.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Todd - Work <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Charles, I would be careful. You can't use 1/2" nipples in an
>>>> earthquake zone (8.15.19.4.4). Given your proximity to Charleston, this may
>>>> be a concern. I would assume street elbows (if permitted) would fall under
>>>> the same category.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Todd G Williams, PE
>>>>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting
>>>>>> Stonington, CT
>>>>>> www.fpdc.com
>>>>>> 860-535-2080 (ofc)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Kenneth Berman <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> close nipples are as close as street ells. 1/2 x 1/2 x 1 tees and you
>>>> can
>>>>>>> leave the uprights, or for tight spaces where you can eliminate the
>>>>>>> upright, use 1 x 1 x 1/2 with a 1" plug.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Charles Thurston <[email protected]
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I do wish I could find some 1/2" Male x 1" Female Street ells for a
>>>>>>>> upright to pendant conversion project.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Friday, January 17, 2014, 4:25:23 PM, you wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I think it comes down to if the street elbows are made according to
>>>>>>>>> the appropriate ASTM standard from Table 6.4.1. In your defense,
>>>>>>>>> 6.4.6.1 states that unless circumstances exist where hex bushings
>>>>>>>>> are allowed, one piece reducer fittings shall be used for a change in
>>>>>>>> pipe size.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Todd G Williams, PE
>>>>>>>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting
>>>>>>>>> Stonington, CT
>>>>>>>>> www.fpdc.com
>>>>>>>>> 860-535-2080 (ofc)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:43 PM, "Morey, Mike" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> So I seem to remember this being a "no-no" but the code doesn't
>>>> seem to
>>>>>>>> explicitly prohibit us from using them.  I have a tight squeeze where
>>>> a 1"
>>>>>>>> male x female "street" elbow would be helpful, but I want to make
>>>> sure I'm
>>>>>>>> not missing something in 13 that prohibits it, we use the 2010
>>>> edition.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Mike Morey, CFPS, SET
>>>>>>>>>> Planner Scheduler/Designer
>>>>>>>>>> BMWC Constructors, Inc.
>>>>>>>>>> 1740 W. Michigan St, Indianapolis, IN 46222
>>>>>>>>>> O: 317.651.0596 | C: 317.586.8111
>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> | www.bmwc.com<
>>>>>>>> http://www.bmwc.com/>
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>>>>>>>> Charles Thurston                          mailto:[email protected]
>>>>>>>> Systems Design Manager
>>>>>>>> NICET Certified
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