imma monkey's uncle Ron, thanks!
> On Jan 17, 2014, at 6:32 PM, Ron Greenman <[email protected]> wrote: > > Harold Wass, Brad. Many, many moons before Hass. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 17, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> It goes to about the same time Hass changed his name. >> I wish Ron would comment on my recent question on the 'trapeze member >> sizing' thread'-- I like his mood right now (and it's Friday!) >> >> >>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Ben Young <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> How does the Pope schedule start? I know it ends with John Paul, Benedict, >>> and then Francis. >>> >>> Do we go all the way back to Peter, because that's a heck of a long >>> schedule if so... >>> >>> >>> Benjamin Young >>> >>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Ron Greenman <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I believe the prohibition is based on the concept that the threads on 1/2 >>>> nipples or fittings are too weak, when subject to the bending forces >>>> applied by a cantilevered weight as found in a goose necked drop to likely >>>> survive a seismic event. The 4" nipple max has to do with limiting the >>>> hydraulic degradation in a pope schedule scenario that has just been left >>>> as written before Wass gave us a way to calculate a system. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Forest Wilson Fire Sprinkler Contractor < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I dont underatand how a fitting would be considered a pipe nipple. >>>>> The prohibition against using 1/2" pipe in earthquake zones should not >>>> apply to the use of street l fittings. >>>>> >>>>> If it did, then the same argument could could made against using any >>>> 1/2" fitting. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Forest Wilson >>>>> Fire Sprinkler Contractor >>>>> 937-736-0425 >>>>> >>>>> Notice: >>>>> This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise >>>> protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have >>>> received it by mistake, please let us know by e-mail reply and delete it >>>> from your system; you may not copy this message or disclose its contents to >>>> anyone. Please send us by fax any message containing deadlines as incoming >>>> e-mails are not screened for response deadlines. The integrity and security >>>> of this message cannot be guaranteed on the Internet. >>>>> >>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>> From: Ron Greenman <[email protected]> >>>>> Date:01/17/2014 5:33 PM (GMT-05:00) >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: "Street" elbows >>>>> >>>>> I thought this was about using 1" st ells in a tight spot, not changing >>>> uprights to pendants. And of course you can use them and they're readily >>>> available through plumbing suppliers if your sprinkler supplier doesn't >>>> have them. They come in reducing types, in black steel, galvy, stainless, >>>> bronze, and in weights (strength) equivalent to schedule 40, 80, 120 & 160. >>>> Very common for industrial boiler application. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Todd - Work <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Charles, I would be careful. You can't use 1/2" nipples in an >>>> earthquake zone (8.15.19.4.4). Given your proximity to Charleston, this may >>>> be a concern. I would assume street elbows (if permitted) would fall under >>>> the same category. >>>>>> >>>>>> Todd G Williams, PE >>>>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting >>>>>> Stonington, CT >>>>>> www.fpdc.com >>>>>> 860-535-2080 (ofc) >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Kenneth Berman <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> close nipples are as close as street ells. 1/2 x 1/2 x 1 tees and you >>>> can >>>>>>> leave the uprights, or for tight spaces where you can eliminate the >>>>>>> upright, use 1 x 1 x 1/2 with a 1" plug. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Charles Thurston <[email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello All, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do wish I could find some 1/2" Male x 1" Female Street ells for a >>>>>>>> upright to pendant conversion project. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Friday, January 17, 2014, 4:25:23 PM, you wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think it comes down to if the street elbows are made according to >>>>>>>>> the appropriate ASTM standard from Table 6.4.1. In your defense, >>>>>>>>> 6.4.6.1 states that unless circumstances exist where hex bushings >>>>>>>>> are allowed, one piece reducer fittings shall be used for a change in >>>>>>>> pipe size. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Todd G Williams, PE >>>>>>>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting >>>>>>>>> Stonington, CT >>>>>>>>> www.fpdc.com >>>>>>>>> 860-535-2080 (ofc) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:43 PM, "Morey, Mike" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So I seem to remember this being a "no-no" but the code doesn't >>>> seem to >>>>>>>> explicitly prohibit us from using them. I have a tight squeeze where >>>> a 1" >>>>>>>> male x female "street" elbow would be helpful, but I want to make >>>> sure I'm >>>>>>>> not missing something in 13 that prohibits it, we use the 2010 >>>> edition. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mike Morey, CFPS, SET >>>>>>>>>> Planner Scheduler/Designer >>>>>>>>>> BMWC Constructors, Inc. >>>>>>>>>> 1740 W. 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