Harold Wass, Brad. Many, many moons before Hass. Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 17, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]> wrote: > > It goes to about the same time Hass changed his name. > I wish Ron would comment on my recent question on the 'trapeze member sizing' > thread'-- I like his mood right now (and it's Friday!) > > >> On Jan 17, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Ben Young <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> How does the Pope schedule start? I know it ends with John Paul, Benedict, >> and then Francis. >> >> Do we go all the way back to Peter, because that's a heck of a long >> schedule if so... >> >> >> Benjamin Young >> >> >>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Ron Greenman <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I believe the prohibition is based on the concept that the threads on 1/2 >>> nipples or fittings are too weak, when subject to the bending forces >>> applied by a cantilevered weight as found in a goose necked drop to likely >>> survive a seismic event. The 4" nipple max has to do with limiting the >>> hydraulic degradation in a pope schedule scenario that has just been left >>> as written before Wass gave us a way to calculate a system. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Forest Wilson Fire Sprinkler Contractor < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I dont underatand how a fitting would be considered a pipe nipple. >>>> The prohibition against using 1/2" pipe in earthquake zones should not >>> apply to the use of street l fittings. >>>> >>>> If it did, then the same argument could could made against using any >>> 1/2" fitting. >>>> >>>> >>>> Forest Wilson >>>> Fire Sprinkler Contractor >>>> 937-736-0425 >>>> >>>> Notice: >>>> This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise >>> protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have >>> received it by mistake, please let us know by e-mail reply and delete it >>> from your system; you may not copy this message or disclose its contents to >>> anyone. Please send us by fax any message containing deadlines as incoming >>> e-mails are not screened for response deadlines. The integrity and security >>> of this message cannot be guaranteed on the Internet. >>>> >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> From: Ron Greenman <[email protected]> >>>> Date:01/17/2014 5:33 PM (GMT-05:00) >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: "Street" elbows >>>> >>>> I thought this was about using 1" st ells in a tight spot, not changing >>> uprights to pendants. And of course you can use them and they're readily >>> available through plumbing suppliers if your sprinkler supplier doesn't >>> have them. They come in reducing types, in black steel, galvy, stainless, >>> bronze, and in weights (strength) equivalent to schedule 40, 80, 120 & 160. >>> Very common for industrial boiler application. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Todd - Work <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Charles, I would be careful. You can't use 1/2" nipples in an >>> earthquake zone (8.15.19.4.4). Given your proximity to Charleston, this may >>> be a concern. I would assume street elbows (if permitted) would fall under >>> the same category. >>>>> >>>>> Todd G Williams, PE >>>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting >>>>> Stonington, CT >>>>> www.fpdc.com >>>>> 860-535-2080 (ofc) >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Kenneth Berman <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> close nipples are as close as street ells. 1/2 x 1/2 x 1 tees and you >>> can >>>>>> leave the uprights, or for tight spaces where you can eliminate the >>>>>> upright, use 1 x 1 x 1/2 with a 1" plug. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Charles Thurston <[email protected] >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do wish I could find some 1/2" Male x 1" Female Street ells for a >>>>>>> upright to pendant conversion project. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Friday, January 17, 2014, 4:25:23 PM, you wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think it comes down to if the street elbows are made according to >>>>>>>> the appropriate ASTM standard from Table 6.4.1. In your defense, >>>>>>>> 6.4.6.1 states that unless circumstances exist where hex bushings >>>>>>>> are allowed, one piece reducer fittings shall be used for a change in >>>>>>> pipe size. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Todd G Williams, PE >>>>>>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting >>>>>>>> Stonington, CT >>>>>>>> www.fpdc.com >>>>>>>> 860-535-2080 (ofc) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:43 PM, "Morey, Mike" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So I seem to remember this being a "no-no" but the code doesn't >>> seem to >>>>>>> explicitly prohibit us from using them. I have a tight squeeze where >>> a 1" >>>>>>> male x female "street" elbow would be helpful, but I want to make >>> sure I'm >>>>>>> not missing something in 13 that prohibits it, we use the 2010 >>> edition. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mike Morey, CFPS, SET >>>>>>>>> Planner Scheduler/Designer >>>>>>>>> BMWC Constructors, Inc. >>>>>>>>> 1740 W. 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