Ron,

Have I told you lately that you're my hero?

Thanks for being you.


Benjamin Young


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Ron Greenman <[email protected]> wrote:

> Ben,
>
> The interaction between the Pope schedule and the pipe schedule go back to
> Peter. The schism occurs with the election of Pope Pipus I during the Synod
> of Hydros. Pipus was declared a heretic when he wanted to change his name
> to Pope Pius Pipus, the PPP trinity. Defrocked he established the Pipus
> Schedulus (later pipe schedule) Heresy. I for one have been a devotee of
> the stinky black water baptism on many occasions.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:56 PM, Ben Young <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > How does the Pope schedule start?  I know it ends with John Paul,
> Benedict,
> > and then Francis.
> >
> > Do we go all the way back to Peter, because that's a heck of a long
> > schedule if so...
> >
> >
> > Benjamin Young
> >
> >
> >> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Ron Greenman <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I believe the prohibition is based on the concept that the threads on
> 1/2
> >> nipples or fittings are too weak, when subject to the bending forces
> >> applied by a cantilevered weight as found in a goose necked drop to
> likely
> >> survive a seismic event. The 4" nipple max has to do with limiting the
> >> hydraulic degradation in a pope schedule scenario that has just been
> left
> >> as written before Wass gave us a way to calculate a system.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Forest Wilson Fire Sprinkler Contractor <
> >>> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I dont underatand how a fitting would be considered a pipe nipple.
> >>> The prohibition against using 1/2" pipe in earthquake zones should not
> >> apply to the use of street l fittings.
> >>>
> >>> If it did, then the same argument could could made against using any
> >> 1/2" fitting.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Forest Wilson
> >>> Fire Sprinkler Contractor
> >>> 937-736-0425
> >>>
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> >>> -------- Original message --------
> >>> From: Ron Greenman <[email protected]>
> >>> Date:01/17/2014  5:33 PM  (GMT-05:00)
> >>> To: [email protected]
> >>> Subject: Re: "Street" elbows
> >>>
> >>> I thought this was about using 1" st ells in a tight spot, not changing
> >> uprights to pendants. And of course you can use them and they're readily
> >> available through plumbing suppliers if your sprinkler supplier doesn't
> >> have them. They come in reducing types, in black steel, galvy,
> stainless,
> >> bronze, and in weights (strength) equivalent to schedule 40, 80, 120 &
> 160.
> >> Very common for industrial boiler application.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Todd - Work <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Charles, I would be careful. You can't use 1/2" nipples in an
> >> earthquake zone (8.15.19.4.4). Given your proximity to Charleston, this
> may
> >> be a concern. I would assume street elbows (if permitted) would fall
> under
> >> the same category.
> >>>>
> >>>> Todd G Williams, PE
> >>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting
> >>>> Stonington, CT
> >>>> www.fpdc.com
> >>>> 860-535-2080 (ofc)
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Kenneth Berman <
> [email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> close nipples are as close as street ells. 1/2 x 1/2 x 1 tees and you
> >> can
> >>>>> leave the uprights, or for tight spaces where you can eliminate the
> >>>>> upright, use 1 x 1 x 1/2 with a 1" plug.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Charles Thurston <
> [email protected]
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello All,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I do wish I could find some 1/2" Male x 1" Female Street ells for a
> >>>>>> upright to pendant conversion project.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Friday, January 17, 2014, 4:25:23 PM, you wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think it comes down to if the street elbows are made according to
> >>>>>>> the appropriate ASTM standard from Table 6.4.1. In your defense,
> >>>>>>> 6.4.6.1 states that unless circumstances exist where hex bushings
> >>>>>>> are allowed, one piece reducer fittings shall be used for a change
> in
> >>>>>> pipe size.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Todd G Williams, PE
> >>>>>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting
> >>>>>>> Stonington, CT
> >>>>>>> www.fpdc.com
> >>>>>>> 860-535-2080 (ofc)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:43 PM, "Morey, Mike" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So I seem to remember this being a "no-no" but the code doesn't
> >> seem to
> >>>>>> explicitly prohibit us from using them.  I have a tight squeeze
> where
> >> a 1"
> >>>>>> male x female "street" elbow would be helpful, but I want to make
> >> sure I'm
> >>>>>> not missing something in 13 that prohibits it, we use the 2010
> >> edition.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Mike Morey, CFPS, SET
> >>>>>>>> Planner Scheduler/Designer
> >>>>>>>> BMWC Constructors, Inc.
> >>>>>>>> 1740 W. Michigan St, Indianapolis, IN 46222
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> >>>>>> --
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> >>>>>> Charles Thurston                          mailto:[email protected]
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