Professor Greenman, I don't think that I have laughed this loud in a long time. Thanks for that! Cecil Bilbo ps..... I'll be using this for YEARS to come! #popepipe #schism #synodhydros #sprinklerheresy #casterlinesyndrome (#nooffensebrad)#hass=hydraulicanalysisofsprinklersystems #wass=calcgenius
> Subject: Re: "Street" elbows > From: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:44:55 -0800 > To: [email protected] > > Ben, > > The interaction between the Pope schedule and the pipe schedule go back to > Peter. The schism occurs with the election of Pope Pipus I during the Synod > of Hydros. Pipus was declared a heretic when he wanted to change his name to > Pope Pius Pipus, the PPP trinity. Defrocked he established the Pipus > Schedulus (later pipe schedule) Heresy. I for one have been a devotee of the > stinky black water baptism on many occasions. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:56 PM, Ben Young <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > How does the Pope schedule start? I know it ends with John Paul, Benedict, > > and then Francis. > > > > Do we go all the way back to Peter, because that's a heck of a long > > schedule if so... > > > > > > Benjamin Young > > > > > >> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Ron Greenman <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> I believe the prohibition is based on the concept that the threads on 1/2 > >> nipples or fittings are too weak, when subject to the bending forces > >> applied by a cantilevered weight as found in a goose necked drop to likely > >> survive a seismic event. The 4" nipple max has to do with limiting the > >> hydraulic degradation in a pope schedule scenario that has just been left > >> as written before Wass gave us a way to calculate a system. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Forest Wilson Fire Sprinkler Contractor < > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> I dont underatand how a fitting would be considered a pipe nipple. > >>> The prohibition against using 1/2" pipe in earthquake zones should not > >> apply to the use of street l fittings. > >>> > >>> If it did, then the same argument could could made against using any > >> 1/2" fitting. > >>> > >>> > >>> Forest Wilson > >>> Fire Sprinkler Contractor > >>> 937-736-0425 > >>> > >>> Notice: > >>> This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise > >> protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have > >> received it by mistake, please let us know by e-mail reply and delete it > >> from your system; you may not copy this message or disclose its contents to > >> anyone. Please send us by fax any message containing deadlines as incoming > >> e-mails are not screened for response deadlines. The integrity and security > >> of this message cannot be guaranteed on the Internet. > >>> > >>> -------- Original message -------- > >>> From: Ron Greenman <[email protected]> > >>> Date:01/17/2014 5:33 PM (GMT-05:00) > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: "Street" elbows > >>> > >>> I thought this was about using 1" st ells in a tight spot, not changing > >> uprights to pendants. And of course you can use them and they're readily > >> available through plumbing suppliers if your sprinkler supplier doesn't > >> have them. They come in reducing types, in black steel, galvy, stainless, > >> bronze, and in weights (strength) equivalent to schedule 40, 80, 120 & 160. > >> Very common for industrial boiler application. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Todd - Work <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Charles, I would be careful. You can't use 1/2" nipples in an > >> earthquake zone (8.15.19.4.4). Given your proximity to Charleston, this may > >> be a concern. I would assume street elbows (if permitted) would fall under > >> the same category. > >>>> > >>>> Todd G Williams, PE > >>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting > >>>> Stonington, CT > >>>> www.fpdc.com > >>>> 860-535-2080 (ofc) > >>>> > >>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Kenneth Berman <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> close nipples are as close as street ells. 1/2 x 1/2 x 1 tees and you > >> can > >>>>> leave the uprights, or for tight spaces where you can eliminate the > >>>>> upright, use 1 x 1 x 1/2 with a 1" plug. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Charles Thurston <[email protected] > >>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hello All, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I do wish I could find some 1/2" Male x 1" Female Street ells for a > >>>>>> upright to pendant conversion project. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Friday, January 17, 2014, 4:25:23 PM, you wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I think it comes down to if the street elbows are made according to > >>>>>>> the appropriate ASTM standard from Table 6.4.1. In your defense, > >>>>>>> 6.4.6.1 states that unless circumstances exist where hex bushings > >>>>>>> are allowed, one piece reducer fittings shall be used for a change in > >>>>>> pipe size. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Todd G Williams, PE > >>>>>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting > >>>>>>> Stonington, CT > >>>>>>> www.fpdc.com > >>>>>>> 860-535-2080 (ofc) > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:43 PM, "Morey, Mike" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So I seem to remember this being a "no-no" but the code doesn't > >> seem to > >>>>>> explicitly prohibit us from using them. I have a tight squeeze where > >> a 1" > >>>>>> male x female "street" elbow would be helpful, but I want to make > >> sure I'm > >>>>>> not missing something in 13 that prohibits it, we use the 2010 > >> edition. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Mike Morey, CFPS, SET > >>>>>>>> Planner Scheduler/Designer > >>>>>>>> BMWC Constructors, Inc. > >>>>>>>> 1740 W. 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