How does the Pope schedule start? I know it ends with John Paul, Benedict, and then Francis.
Do we go all the way back to Peter, because that's a heck of a long schedule if so... Benjamin Young On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Ron Greenman <[email protected]> wrote: > I believe the prohibition is based on the concept that the threads on 1/2 > nipples or fittings are too weak, when subject to the bending forces > applied by a cantilevered weight as found in a goose necked drop to likely > survive a seismic event. The 4" nipple max has to do with limiting the > hydraulic degradation in a pope schedule scenario that has just been left > as written before Wass gave us a way to calculate a system. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Forest Wilson Fire Sprinkler Contractor < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > I dont underatand how a fitting would be considered a pipe nipple. > > The prohibition against using 1/2" pipe in earthquake zones should not > apply to the use of street l fittings. > > > > If it did, then the same argument could could made against using any > 1/2" fitting. > > > > > > Forest Wilson > > Fire Sprinkler Contractor > > 937-736-0425 > > > > Notice: > > This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise > protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have > received it by mistake, please let us know by e-mail reply and delete it > from your system; you may not copy this message or disclose its contents to > anyone. Please send us by fax any message containing deadlines as incoming > e-mails are not screened for response deadlines. The integrity and security > of this message cannot be guaranteed on the Internet. > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Ron Greenman <[email protected]> > > Date:01/17/2014 5:33 PM (GMT-05:00) > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: "Street" elbows > > > > I thought this was about using 1" st ells in a tight spot, not changing > uprights to pendants. And of course you can use them and they're readily > available through plumbing suppliers if your sprinkler supplier doesn't > have them. They come in reducing types, in black steel, galvy, stainless, > bronze, and in weights (strength) equivalent to schedule 40, 80, 120 & 160. > Very common for industrial boiler application. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Todd - Work <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Charles, I would be careful. You can't use 1/2" nipples in an > earthquake zone (8.15.19.4.4). Given your proximity to Charleston, this may > be a concern. I would assume street elbows (if permitted) would fall under > the same category. > >> > >> Todd G Williams, PE > >> Fire Protection Design/Consulting > >> Stonington, CT > >> www.fpdc.com > >> 860-535-2080 (ofc) > >> > >>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Kenneth Berman <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>> close nipples are as close as street ells. 1/2 x 1/2 x 1 tees and you > can > >>> leave the uprights, or for tight spaces where you can eliminate the > >>> upright, use 1 x 1 x 1/2 with a 1" plug. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Charles Thurston <[email protected] > >wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello All, > >>>> > >>>> I do wish I could find some 1/2" Male x 1" Female Street ells for a > >>>> upright to pendant conversion project. > >>>> > >>>> Friday, January 17, 2014, 4:25:23 PM, you wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I think it comes down to if the street elbows are made according to > >>>>> the appropriate ASTM standard from Table 6.4.1. In your defense, > >>>>> 6.4.6.1 states that unless circumstances exist where hex bushings > >>>>> are allowed, one piece reducer fittings shall be used for a change in > >>>> pipe size. > >>>> > >>>>> Todd G Williams, PE > >>>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting > >>>>> Stonington, CT > >>>>> www.fpdc.com > >>>>> 860-535-2080 (ofc) > >>>> > >>>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:43 PM, "Morey, Mike" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>> So I seem to remember this being a "no-no" but the code doesn't > seem to > >>>> explicitly prohibit us from using them. I have a tight squeeze where > a 1" > >>>> male x female "street" elbow would be helpful, but I want to make > sure I'm > >>>> not missing something in 13 that prohibits it, we use the 2010 > edition. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> Mike Morey, CFPS, SET > >>>>>> Planner Scheduler/Designer > >>>>>> BMWC Constructors, Inc. > >>>>>> 1740 W. 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