How does the Pope schedule start?  I know it ends with John Paul, Benedict,
and then Francis.

Do we go all the way back to Peter, because that's a heck of a long
schedule if so...


Benjamin Young


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Ron Greenman <[email protected]> wrote:

> I believe the prohibition is based on the concept that the threads on 1/2
> nipples or fittings are too weak, when subject to the bending forces
> applied by a cantilevered weight as found in a goose necked drop to likely
> survive a seismic event. The 4" nipple max has to do with limiting the
> hydraulic degradation in a pope schedule scenario that has just been left
> as written before Wass gave us a way to calculate a system.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Forest Wilson Fire Sprinkler Contractor <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > I dont underatand how a fitting would be considered a pipe nipple.
> > The prohibition against using 1/2" pipe in earthquake zones should not
> apply to the use of street l fittings.
> >
> > If it did, then the same argument could could made against using any
> 1/2" fitting.
> >
> >
> > Forest Wilson
> > Fire Sprinkler Contractor
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> >
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> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Ron Greenman <[email protected]>
> > Date:01/17/2014  5:33 PM  (GMT-05:00)
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: "Street" elbows
> >
> > I thought this was about using 1" st ells in a tight spot, not changing
> uprights to pendants. And of course you can use them and they're readily
> available through plumbing suppliers if your sprinkler supplier doesn't
> have them. They come in reducing types, in black steel, galvy, stainless,
> bronze, and in weights (strength) equivalent to schedule 40, 80, 120 & 160.
> Very common for industrial boiler application.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Todd - Work <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Charles, I would be careful. You can't use 1/2" nipples in an
> earthquake zone (8.15.19.4.4). Given your proximity to Charleston, this may
> be a concern. I would assume street elbows (if permitted) would fall under
> the same category.
> >>
> >> Todd G Williams, PE
> >> Fire Protection Design/Consulting
> >> Stonington, CT
> >> www.fpdc.com
> >> 860-535-2080 (ofc)
> >>
> >>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Kenneth Berman <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> close nipples are as close as street ells. 1/2 x 1/2 x 1 tees and you
> can
> >>> leave the uprights, or for tight spaces where you can eliminate the
> >>> upright, use 1 x 1 x 1/2 with a 1" plug.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Charles Thurston <[email protected]
> >wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hello All,
> >>>>
> >>>> I do wish I could find some 1/2" Male x 1" Female Street ells for a
> >>>> upright to pendant conversion project.
> >>>>
> >>>> Friday, January 17, 2014, 4:25:23 PM, you wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I think it comes down to if the street elbows are made according to
> >>>>> the appropriate ASTM standard from Table 6.4.1. In your defense,
> >>>>> 6.4.6.1 states that unless circumstances exist where hex bushings
> >>>>> are allowed, one piece reducer fittings shall be used for a change in
> >>>> pipe size.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Todd G Williams, PE
> >>>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting
> >>>>> Stonington, CT
> >>>>> www.fpdc.com
> >>>>> 860-535-2080 (ofc)
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:43 PM, "Morey, Mike" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> So I seem to remember this being a "no-no" but the code doesn't
> seem to
> >>>> explicitly prohibit us from using them.  I have a tight squeeze where
> a 1"
> >>>> male x female "street" elbow would be helpful, but I want to make
> sure I'm
> >>>> not missing something in 13 that prohibits it, we use the 2010
> edition.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Mike Morey, CFPS, SET
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