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Steve -------- Original message -------- From: Ron Greenman <[email protected]> Date:01/17/2014 4:45 PM (GMT-08:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: "Street" elbows Ben, The interaction between the Pope schedule and the pipe schedule go back to Peter. The schism occurs with the election of Pope Pipus I during the Synod of Hydros. Pipus was declared a heretic when he wanted to change his name to Pope Pius Pipus, the PPP trinity. Defrocked he established the Pipus Schedulus (later pipe schedule) Heresy. I for one have been a devotee of the stinky black water baptism on many occasions. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:56 PM, Ben Young <[email protected]> wrote: > > How does the Pope schedule start? I know it ends with John Paul, Benedict, > and then Francis. > > Do we go all the way back to Peter, because that's a heck of a long > schedule if so... > > > Benjamin Young > > >> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Ron Greenman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I believe the prohibition is based on the concept that the threads on 1/2 >> nipples or fittings are too weak, when subject to the bending forces >> applied by a cantilevered weight as found in a goose necked drop to likely >> survive a seismic event. The 4" nipple max has to do with limiting the >> hydraulic degradation in a pope schedule scenario that has just been left >> as written before Wass gave us a way to calculate a system. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Forest Wilson Fire Sprinkler Contractor < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I dont underatand how a fitting would be considered a pipe nipple. >>> The prohibition against using 1/2" pipe in earthquake zones should not >> apply to the use of street l fittings. >>> >>> If it did, then the same argument could could made against using any >> 1/2" fitting. >>> >>> >>> Forest Wilson >>> Fire Sprinkler Contractor >>> 937-736-0425 >>> >>> Notice: >>> This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise >> protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have >> received it by mistake, please let us know by e-mail reply and delete it >> from your system; you may not copy this message or disclose its contents to >> anyone. Please send us by fax any message containing deadlines as incoming >> e-mails are not screened for response deadlines. The integrity and security >> of this message cannot be guaranteed on the Internet. >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Ron Greenman <[email protected]> >>> Date:01/17/2014 5:33 PM (GMT-05:00) >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: "Street" elbows >>> >>> I thought this was about using 1" st ells in a tight spot, not changing >> uprights to pendants. And of course you can use them and they're readily >> available through plumbing suppliers if your sprinkler supplier doesn't >> have them. They come in reducing types, in black steel, galvy, stainless, >> bronze, and in weights (strength) equivalent to schedule 40, 80, 120 & 160. >> Very common for industrial boiler application. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Todd - Work <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Charles, I would be careful. You can't use 1/2" nipples in an >> earthquake zone (8.15.19.4.4). Given your proximity to Charleston, this may >> be a concern. I would assume street elbows (if permitted) would fall under >> the same category. >>>> >>>> Todd G Williams, PE >>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting >>>> Stonington, CT >>>> www.fpdc.com >>>> 860-535-2080 (ofc) >>>> >>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Kenneth Berman <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> close nipples are as close as street ells. 1/2 x 1/2 x 1 tees and you >> can >>>>> leave the uprights, or for tight spaces where you can eliminate the >>>>> upright, use 1 x 1 x 1/2 with a 1" plug. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Charles Thurston <[email protected] >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello All, >>>>>> >>>>>> I do wish I could find some 1/2" Male x 1" Female Street ells for a >>>>>> upright to pendant conversion project. >>>>>> >>>>>> Friday, January 17, 2014, 4:25:23 PM, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think it comes down to if the street elbows are made according to >>>>>>> the appropriate ASTM standard from Table 6.4.1. In your defense, >>>>>>> 6.4.6.1 states that unless circumstances exist where hex bushings >>>>>>> are allowed, one piece reducer fittings shall be used for a change in >>>>>> pipe size. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Todd G Williams, PE >>>>>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting >>>>>>> Stonington, CT >>>>>>> www.fpdc.com >>>>>>> 860-535-2080 (ofc) >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:43 PM, "Morey, Mike" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> So I seem to remember this being a "no-no" but the code doesn't >> seem to >>>>>> explicitly prohibit us from using them. I have a tight squeeze where >> a 1" >>>>>> male x female "street" elbow would be helpful, but I want to make >> sure I'm >>>>>> not missing something in 13 that prohibits it, we use the 2010 >> edition. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mike Morey, CFPS, SET >>>>>>>> Planner Scheduler/Designer >>>>>>>> BMWC Constructors, Inc. >>>>>>>> 1740 W. 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