Thanks Todd, now I'm thinking about Pope nipples!

Benjamin Young


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Todd - Work <[email protected]> wrote:

> Charles, it was just a change in wording. The restriction is in 2010 and
> several years before.
>
> Ron, I'm very glad you made your spelling slip on schedules and not
> nipples.
>
> Todd G Williams, PE
> Fire Protection Design/Consulting
> Stonington, CT
> www.fpdc.com
> 860-535-2080 (ofc)
>
> > On Jan 17, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Charles Thurston <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Ron,
> >
> > Yes Ron that started the thread, I just use it as a transition. I
> thought they were, but several industrial plumbing shops in Wilmington were
> unable to find them for me.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > NFPA 13 2013
> >
> > 8.15.20.5 Revamping of Hydraulic Design Systems.
> >
> > 8.15.20.5.1 When hydraulically designed systems are re-
> > vamped, any existing bushing shall be removed and a nipple
> > not exceeding 4 in. (100 mm) in length shall be permitted to
> > be installed in the branch line fitting.
> >
> > 8.15.20.5.2* Calculations shall be provided to verify that the
> > system design flow rate will be achieved.
> >
> > 8.15.20.5.3 When it is necessary to pipe two new ceiling sprinklers
> > from an existing outlet in an overhead system, any bushings
> > shall be removed and the use of a nipple not exceeding 4 in.
> > (100 mm) in length and of the same pipe thread size as the existing
> > outlet shall be permitted, provided that a hydraulic calculation
> > verifies that the design flow rate will be achieved.
> >
> > | 8.15.20.5.4 Where an armover is attached to connect to a
> > | sprinkler, the use of pipe nipples less than 1 in. (25 mm) in
> > | diameter shall not be permitted where seismic design is required
> > | on the system.
> >
> > I don't have my 2010 here to see if 8.15.20.5.3 is in it, But 2013 shows
> it as a change. This was permitted and started under the 2010 code.
> >
> > Yes we seismic brace in the Myrtle Beach Area.
> >
> > This is an existing system. 1 1/2" branch with 1/2" outlet "T"s for
> heads, They added a L/O ceiling 6" below the top of the pipe in the parking
> deck. Now need to nipple over to a Dry Wax Over Lead (Local Ordnance) Dry
> Head. Another contractor submitted plans, calcs and got a permit for this a
> 1/2" Close, 1/2" x 1" 90, 1' Close nipple, 1" T with plug for the head. The
> other contractor's foreman smarted off to one of the owners and they got
> thrown off the site. Material is all there, Just need the labor to put it
> in.
> >
> > Friday, January 17, 2014, 5:33:21 PM, you wrote:
> >
> >> I thought this was about using 1" st ells in a tight spot, not
> >> changing uprights to pendants. And of course you can use them and
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