Using 2009 IBC and the example of the pool area as 15,500sf and Group
A-3. This pool area would required sprinklers. IBC 903.2.1.3 requires
sprinklers where the A-3 area exceeds 12,000 sf or 300+ occupants or not
at the level of exit discharge. If the design professional is taking
area and/or height increase(s), fire resistance rating reductions, or
other construction alternatives then IBC 903.2.1.3 does not apply and
sprinklers are required throughout per IBC 903.3.1.1.1 w/ its 5
exceptions. And if the A-3 pool area is not a separate fire area from
the hotel/motel then it becomes "the tail that wags the dog", 13R would
not be the standard to be used for the hotel/motel no matter how many
stories - full 13 throughout (IBC 508.3.1). One pool incident (read
drowning) usually closes pools at small or franchised motels and starts
other uses, the big chains have armies of lawyers and go on swimming.
Dan Kaczor
long time lurker
retired CBO, Plans Examiner
On 1/23/2014 8:14 AM, [email protected] wrote:
It seems that some think NFPA 13 is the only place to look for guidance on
design requirements. The building and fire codes are the primary source telling
you when and where and under what condition a building must be provided with
sprinklers.
Go to the Building Code: (using 2009 for reference)
Swimming pool without spectator is an A-3 occupancy. [Section 303]
Table 503 sets limitations on areas for A-3 occupancies based on building
construction types.
So sprinklers may or may not be required based on whether you are under or over
the area limit.
So for example, for a Type IIA construction you can go 15,500 sq. ft, beyond
that you have to provide sprinklers. See Section 507.6, 2. for additional data
on building area requirements.
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group Lead
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
CH2MHILL Extension 74102
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 5:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Swimming Pools RFI
Guyz/Gals:
I know that, at one time, there was a 'blurb' about sprinkler protection over swimming
pool areas. We have just spent a fairly significant amount of time looking for the
'requirement' in recent editions of 13 - and have been unable to find a specific
citation. Aside from "all areas are required to be sprinklered..." can anyone
assist us with a specific reference to swimming pool areas (hotel/motels, et al) - in any
Code - needing to be sprinkler protected. I remember reading about the possibility of the
pool being emptied and the pool itself and/or surrounding areas being used for 'storage'
of combustible materials, but that was years ago...
Any assistance will be much appreciated - we are performing a third-party
review and our PE/FPE is stuck.
Regards to All. Gracias!!
Jerry
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Jerry D. Watts, SFPE
President& Co-Founder
ACCENT FIRE ENGINEERING INT'L. Ltd.
Santa Fe, New Mexico USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Harris<[email protected]>
To: sprinklerforum<[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Jan 22, 2014 3:09 pm
Subject: RE: Reusing Heads
Thanks!
Brian Harris, CET
BVS Systems Inc.
bvssytemsinc.com
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Steve Leyton
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 12:34 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Reusing Heads
It's also in NFPA 25 for good measure.
Steve Leyton
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Morey, Mike
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 9:25 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Reusing Heads
In 2013 6.2.1 (and added clarification in section 6.2.1.1)
Mike Morey, CFPS, SET
Planner Scheduler/Designer
BMWC Constructors, Inc.
1740 W. Michigan St, Indianapolis, IN 46222
O: 317.651.0596 | C: 317.586.8111
[email protected] | www.bmwc.com
________________________________________
From: [email protected]
[[email protected]] on behalf of Brian Harris
[[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 12:17 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Reusing Heads
I know I've seen it somewhere but can someone point me to the section of
NFPA-13 that says once you remove a head you have to replace it with a new one?
Brian Harris, CET
BVS Systems Inc.
Sprinkler Division
bvssystemsinc.com<http://bvssystemsinc.com/>
Phone: 704.896.9989
Fax: 704.896.1935
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