Well, I think George called me a lazy, no good lurking mooch, but any attention from him felt good. I'll send my 200 hunday tomorrow, thnx for the reminder, and for sharing.
> On Jan 29, 2014, at 6:54 PM, Scott A Futrell <[email protected]> wrote: > > If you really want me to be honest...I am not totally antifreeze, but Brad, I > know what goes wrong when fitters don't follow rules, standards, and codes > and if the only way to avoid a problem is to ban it, then yes. > > Steve and other's posts are correct, pressure, hazard, k-factor, > concentration, ceiling height, distance from ignition are ALL factors and if > someone does the necessary engineering analysis, AND then follows up to make > sure that everyone involved follows it exactly and doesn't [insert any number > of things here] relocate a sprinkler closer to a hazard ( who is going to > make sure the couch or stove never moves closer to the sprinkler - EVER) then > sure, put it in according to a knowledgeable FPE's analysis. > > Commercial is somewhat different than residential, but I am also sure there > are piranha's out there (what did George call people that weren't AFSA > members, but monitored the forum?) keeping a copy of my response. > > Scott > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad > Casterline > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:37 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: NFPA 25 & Antifreeze Comment(s) RETORT > > No Scott please don't tell me how it ends, I have not seen it yet ;) > seriously, I saw your name on that final report- are you totally Anti Anti > freeze now, no if ands or buts? > >> On Jan 29, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Scott A Futrell <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> A child lit a couch on fire with matches and the sprinkler operated with the >> resulting fireball injuring her and her mother. Official damage report: >> limited to point of origin, except for signs and damage from explosion - >> windows blown out remote from the ignition. >> >> Do we need to say more Brad? >> >> Scott Futrell >> >> (763) 425-1001 x12 Office >> (612) 759-5556 Cell >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Brad Casterline >> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:43 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: NFPA 25 & Antifreeze Comment(s) RETORT >> >> I doubt it offends anyone. I think the biggest factor is the size of >> the fire-- I think I could could set a wadded up pile of shop drawings >> on fire ( appropriate for many jobs I drew) and put the fire out with >> 100% AF. But I would not want to pour it out on 30,000, 100 watt light >> bulbs :) >> >>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Andy-Johnston <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> After reading my last post. It was not ment to be continuous. Only express >>> my fears of the short cuts the installers may take in the field. >>> Not ment to offend. >>> Andy >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Brad Casterline <[email protected]> >>> Date: 01/29/2014 12:51 PM (GMT-05:00) >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: NFPA 25 & Antifreeze Comment(s) RETORT >>> >>> Good point, I guess for pre-mixed we would not, we would just keep >>> pumping it in until it was full, never mind, thanks Roland... >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Roland Huggins [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:41 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: NFPA 25 & Antifreeze Comment(s) RETORT >>> >>> HUH???? 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