If you really want me to be honest...I am not totally antifreeze, but Brad, I know what goes wrong when fitters don't follow rules, standards, and codes and if the only way to avoid a problem is to ban it, then yes.
Steve and other's posts are correct, pressure, hazard, k-factor, concentration, ceiling height, distance from ignition are ALL factors and if someone does the necessary engineering analysis, AND then follows up to make sure that everyone involved follows it exactly and doesn't [insert any number of things here] relocate a sprinkler closer to a hazard ( who is going to make sure the couch or stove never moves closer to the sprinkler - EVER) then sure, put it in according to a knowledgeable FPE's analysis. Commercial is somewhat different than residential, but I am also sure there are piranha's out there (what did George call people that weren't AFSA members, but monitored the forum?) keeping a copy of my response. Scott -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad Casterline Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: NFPA 25 & Antifreeze Comment(s) RETORT No Scott please don't tell me how it ends, I have not seen it yet ;) seriously, I saw your name on that final report- are you totally Anti Anti freeze now, no if ands or buts? > On Jan 29, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Scott A Futrell <[email protected]> wrote: > > A child lit a couch on fire with matches and the sprinkler operated with the > resulting fireball injuring her and her mother. Official damage report: > limited to point of origin, except for signs and damage from explosion - > windows blown out remote from the ignition. > > Do we need to say more Brad? > > Scott Futrell > > (763) 425-1001 x12 Office > (612) 759-5556 Cell > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Brad Casterline > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:43 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: NFPA 25 & Antifreeze Comment(s) RETORT > > I doubt it offends anyone. I think the biggest factor is the size of > the fire-- I think I could could set a wadded up pile of shop drawings > on fire ( appropriate for many jobs I drew) and put the fire out with > 100% AF. But I would not want to pour it out on 30,000, 100 watt light > bulbs :) > >> On Jan 29, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Andy-Johnston <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> After reading my last post. It was not ment to be continuous. Only express >> my fears of the short cuts the installers may take in the field. >> Not ment to offend. >> Andy >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Brad Casterline <[email protected]> >> Date: 01/29/2014 12:51 PM (GMT-05:00) >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: NFPA 25 & Antifreeze Comment(s) RETORT >> >> Good point, I guess for pre-mixed we would not, we would just keep >> pumping it in until it was full, never mind, thanks Roland... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Roland Huggins [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:41 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: NFPA 25 & Antifreeze Comment(s) RETORT >> >> HUH???? What does the system volume have to do with it? >> >> >> Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering >> American Fire Sprinkler Assn. --- Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives >> Dallas, TX >> http://www.firesprinkler.org >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 28, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Brad Casterline >> <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> And this focus on 'percent by volume' has got to be the silliest >>> aspect of >> this whole mess, as if we know the exact cubic feet of the inside of >> all the pipe and fittings ;) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprink >> l >> er.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprink >> l er.org _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprink >> l >> er.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
