Thanks for all the insight. It would appear that there is no "code" for the display of the coupon, just a measure of "good practice".
-----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Mech Tee Installation Every time I see the coupon, I wonder if it is the coupon from that pipe and that hole. I also wonder, how do you retrieve the coupon from a riser? Douglas Hicks General Fire Equip Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc > I agree with all the should's. Hanging the cutout is a fantastic > idea, ain't required though which was the original question. > > Chris Cahill, PE* > Associate Fire Protection Engineer > Burns & McDonnell > Phone: 952.656.3652 > Fax: 952.229.2923 > [email protected] > www.burnsmcd.com > *Registered in: MN > > > Proud to be #14 on FORTUNE's 2014 List of 100 Best Companies to Work > For > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > rongreenman . > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 9:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Mech Tee Installation > > There is the requirement, as mentioned, for a coupon retrieval system > on the Above Ground Test Certificate. there should then be a shop SOP > and a field SOP. Attaching the coupon to the tee is a pretty good SOP > for the field work. > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Cahill, Christopher > <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> What's the difference between the field cut and the shop cut? There >> isn't an AHJ in the world that can tell if I shop drilled or field >> drilled. At my last company often enough we'd shop drill. Or the >> shop welded cut out? >> Or is someone saying they all need to be attached? I don't see where >> any need be. And the requirements for retrieval in no way shape or >> form requires attachment. How exactly to you show compliance with >> the dimensions for groove depth and width, thread specs, etc? 'Cuz >> you know to an extent there is slop in these and they hold at least >> for a while outside specs. Do ya'll hang gauge templates to every >> fitting to show compliance? >> Do you hang a weld x-ray on each weld? 'Cuz you know there are >> requirements that can't be readily seen if they are in compliance. >> Do you hang the ball peen hammer next to the 'fixed' dripping welds >> that occasionally occur? >> >> Every seen the weld scraping from the factory produced pipe get >> dropped and adhered to the inside of the next pipe in the formation >> line? Now if I knock them loose I can show they were removed by >> attaching. Wonder how you show compliance if they didn't occur in the >> first place? >> >> My real point in my ramblings is there comes a place where we have to >> trust all involved did their job right. Do things get left in the >> pipe occasionally? Sure do, but we need to tackle keeping the valve >> open before we get into the minutia of the other possible failures >> which all together don't add up to a lot of failures. >> >> Chris Cahill, PE* >> Associate Fire Protection Engineer >> Burns & McDonnell >> Phone: 952.656.3652 >> Fax: 952.229.2923 >> [email protected] >> www.burnsmcd.com >> *Registered in: MN >> >> >> Proud to be #14 on FORTUNE's 2014 List of 100 Best Companies to Work >> For >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Kenneth >> Berman >> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 6:32 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Mech Tee Installation >> >> attaching the coupon shows compliance with retrieval requirement. >> 2007 >> 13- >> 6.5.5.2(2) Might as well hang it there, it's just trash. >> >> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:26 PM, John Denhardt < >> [email protected] >> > wrote: >> >> > No reference in NFPA 13 that I'm aware. Usually see the >> > requirement in a specification. You might want to look at a >> > manufacturer's installation instruction sheet that is part of the >> > listing for the >> device. >> > >> > John >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: >> > [email protected]] On Behalf Of JD >> > Gamble >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 6:08 PM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Mech Tee Installation >> > >> > Does anyone know the actual Code for requiring the attachment of a >> > drill out to a Mech Tee? >> > >> > >> > >> > I know its good practice, but does anyone know the actual code, or >> > is there one? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Life Safety Solutions of Sheridan >> > >> > JD Gamble >> > >> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> > >> > (307) 763-3361 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --- >> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> > http://www.avast.com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Sprinklerforum mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > >> > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firespri >> > n kl er.org _______________________________________________ >> > Sprinklerforum mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > >> > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firespri >> > n >> > kl >> > er.org >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprink >> l er.org _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprink >> l >> er.org >> > > > > -- > Ron Greenman > Instructor > Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College > 1101 So. 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