Agree, always pointed in at the column (usually in the web) regardless of the type of sidewall.
Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 4:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Column Protection Where does it say the sidewall is pointed up? I have only seen these installed in the horizontal position for this application. Any steel columns shall be protected by 1-hour fireproofing or a sidewall sprinkler directed to one side of the column at the top or at the 15 ft (4.6 m) level, whichever is lower. Flow from these sprinklers shall be permitted to be omitted from the sprinkler system demand for hydraulic calculations. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC 2508 E Lodgepole Drive Gilbert, AZ 85298 480-505-9271 fax: 866-430-6107 email:[email protected] http://www.mfpdesign.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign On 7/6/2015 1:57 PM, Kenneth Berman wrote: > You're all missing an important point, the horizontal sidewall is > pointed upwards. A vertical sidewall, upwards, is incorrect. The > horizontal sidewall cools the column from fifteen feet upwards, and > the water returned by gravity cools the column below fifteen feet. > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Parsley Consulting < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Rocci, >> I'd echo Travis and Mark's comments. When all else fails, point >> to 12.12.2.2.4.1, 16.1.4.1, 17.1.4.1, or 18.2.1 (whichever is >> appropriate) and ask him, politely of course, how he's reaching the >> conclusion that the sidewall sprinkler must be vertical. >> In short, ask him to "prove it." >> *Ken Wagoner, SET >> *Parsley Consulting*** >> *350 West 9th Avenue, Suite 206 >> *Escondido, California 92025 >> *****Phone 760-745-6181* >> Visit our website <http://www.parsleyconsulting.com/> *** >> >> >> On 07/06/2015 11:20 AM, Rocci Cetani 3 wrote: >> >>> I have a FM questioning the use of horizontal sidewall sprinklers >>> (he thinks it should be a vertical sidewall) with no heat collectors >>> @ 15' AFF...NFPA >>> 13 2013 17.1.4.1 only states a sidewall sprinkler pointed in the >>> direction of the column @ 15' AFF. Any suggestions? >>> >>> >>> >>> Rocci Cetani III, CET >>> >>> Lead Designer >>> >>> Water-Based Fire Protections Systems Layout, Nicet Level III >>> >>> >>> Northern California Fire Protection Services Inc. >>> >>> 16840 Joleen Way Bldg. A >>> >>> Morgan Hill, CA 93037 >>> >>> P-(408) 776-1580 EXT.111 >>> >>> F-(408) 776-1590 >>> >>> C- (408) 595-3906 >>> >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> www.norcalfire.com <http://www.norcalfire.com/> >>> >>> >>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any document accompanying >>> it may contain confidential information >>> >>> belonging to the sender. The information is intended only for the >>> use of individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended >>> recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver this >>> message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >>> disclosure, copying or taking of any action in reliance on the >>> contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have >>> received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by >>> telephone to arrange for return of the documents. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprin >>> kler.org >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprink >> ler.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
