But in that regard, it is not an activation issue, it is only an
obstruction issue.
Shave it where necessary to not be an obstruction?
On Mar 29, 2016 12:07 PM, "Brian Harris" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Brad-
> The real issue we're having is the haphazard way the sprayed on insulation
> was installed, there's no way to establish minimum & maximum deflector
> distances.
>
> Brian Harris, CET
> BVS Systems Inc.
> bvssytemsinc.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad
> Casterline
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:23 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Tyco Attic Heads
>
> Nope. Smoothness above the sprinkler only affects activation times, and
> the differences are only a few seconds.
> Do you worry if the intermediate framing members are 2x4, 2x6, 2x8, or
> 2x10 (a 6" variation)? Do you worry if they are perpendicular or  parallel
> to the throw? No, because min deflector distance for back-to-back at the
> peak is 16". This is to get the throw beneath the 'unsmoothness' of the
> bottom of the deck.
> The U.L. tests of Tyco BB heads 'started' with previously listed QR, EC
> heads- only the Deflectors were changed, and the throw patterns at
> different pressures were measured. They did that by not changing the bottom
> of the deck or changing deflector distance, but by raising and lowering the
> Floor :).
>
> And actually I think a little roughness at the bottom of the deck might
> even enhance activation a bit-- but I am certainly no Sprinkler Scientist-
> and the Modeling of BB heads activation and patterns I have done has been
> rather coarse, i.e., quick and dirty ;)
>
> b
> On Mar 29, 2016 9:46 AM, "Brian Harris" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I talked with tech support and while he wasn't too concerned about the
> > roughness off the insulation he did agree the insulation needs to be
> > "shaved" to a uniform depth to assure proper deflector distances.
> >
> > Brian Harris, CET
> > BVS Systems Inc.
> > bvssytemsinc.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:
> > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce
> > Verhei
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 10:44 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: Tyco Attic Heads
> >
> > I like Matt's advice. Tyco may have information from original test
> series.
> > Sometimes some of conditions are to meet extreme distance or a minimum
> > available pressure.
> >
> > While I'd repeat that Tyco's comments would apply to this particular
> > project only, could you post?
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > > On Mar 29, 2016, at 06:41, Matt Grise <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > I would call tyco's technical hotline.
> > >
> > > Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP, NICET II
> > > Sales Engineer
> > > Alliance Fire Protection
> > > 130 w 9th Ave.
> > > North Kansas City, MO 64116
> > >
> > > *Licensed in KS & MO
> > >
> > > 913.888.0647 ph
> > > 913.888.0618 f
> > > 913.526.7443 cell
> > > www. AFPsprink.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Sprinklerforum
> > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> > > Brian Harris
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:40 AM
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: RE: Tyco Attic Heads
> > >
> > > "bounce..."
> > >
> > > Brian Harris, CET
> > > BVS Systems Inc.
> > > bvssytemsinc.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Sprinklerforum
> > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> > > Brian Harris
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:23 AM
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: Tyco Attic Heads
> > >
> > > Working on a project that we've installed Tyco attic heads and the
> > > GC
> > has now gone in and added roughly several inches of spray on insulation.
> > When I say roughly I mean roughly, the depth varies from 6" to 12"
> > with no consistency what so ever. I've told them that most of the
> > piping will have to be lowered to stay within the required clearances
> > but I also think the insulation needs to be "shaved" to a smooth
> > consistent finish, obviously that didn't go over so well. Since attic
> > heads are considered extended coverage I think it's safe to assume
> > they need to be installed per the requirements of NFPA as well, under
> > a smooth flat surface. Am I missing something?
> > >
> > > Brian Harris, CET
> > > BVS Systems Inc.
> > > Sprinkler Division
> > > bvssystemsinc.com<http://bvssystemsinc.com/>
> > > Phone: 704.896.9989
> > > Fax: 704.896.1935
> > >
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