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“Stay in your lane.” IMHO. Dominick Kasmauskas Legislative Consultant American Fire Sprinkler Association (AFSA) 518.937.4790 Kingsport, TN www.FireSprinkler.org On Sun, Dec 22, 2024 at 20:34 Fpdcdesign <[email protected]> wrote: > So what is worse, liability for operating outside a standard or the > liability for not reporting a dangerous even if it is outside of that > standard? > > Todd Williams > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > Stonington, CT > 860-608-4559 > > > On Dec 22, 2024 at 8:19 PM, <Matthew Willis1 > <[email protected]>> wrote: > > That is why we operate as Technicians, with predescribed action all > written out for us. > > Diligence dictates we cry foul for sure. Just note as an observation. The > NFPA 25 report is not the plcae for it. > > Now, this is a bit different in LA. One of the states I worked in as an > NFPA 25 inspector. LA is a life safety state. So, we are Life Safety > Inspectors. There are clear Negligence, and Gross Negligence requirements > in obtaining the State License. > > But in the end, operating outside of the adopted, predescribed standard, > is a dangerous liability walk I do not care to take. > > R/ > Matt > > > *Matthew J. Willis, C.E.T.* > > *Ferguson Fire Design, LLC* > > D: *(602) 337-0721 <http://(602)%20337-0721>* C: *(307) 236-8249 > <http://(307)%20236-8249>* > > *[email protected] <[email protected]>* > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fpdcdesign <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Sunday, December 22, 2024 8:14 PM > *To:* Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* [Sprinklerforum] Re: Unprotected areas > > *Caution: This email originated from outside of the organization. DO NOT > click links or open attachments unless you recognize and trust the sender.* > > ------------------------------ > I understand the requirements and limitations of 25. But let me ask this. > If the inspector notices and obvious problem that is outside of 25 and does > not report it. If a fire occurs that is caused or exacerbated by the > problem that he noticed but did not report, what liability does he have. > > As a PE, if I notice a dangerous condition and do not reported, I can be > held liable. > > Todd Williams > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > Stonington, CT > 860-608-4559 > > > On Dec 22, 2024 at 7:57 PM, <Matthew Willis1 > <[email protected]>> wrote: > > Guys, this is a losing battle with Mike. He vents about how crappy our > jobs are on other social media. > > It's a shame, I used to like corresponding with him. > > Mike, since our industry is so bad, and you are clearly making bank with > your current position, might I suggest: > > > > > https://www.petforums.co.uk/forums/dog-walking.85/ > <https://www.petforums.co.uk/forums/dog-walking.85/> > Dog Walking - UK Pet Forums Forum > <https://www.petforums.co.uk/forums/dog-walking.85/> > Discuss everything regarding dog walking, from places to walk your dog, to > help and advice in starting your own dog walking business. > www.petforums.co.uk > > > R/ > Matt > > > *Matthew J. Willis, C.E.T.* > > *Ferguson Fire Design, LLC* > > D: *[(602)%20337-0721](602) 337-0721* C: *[(307)%20236-8249](307) > 236-8249* > > *[email protected] <[email protected]>* > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Bob Caputo <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Friday, December 20, 2024 2:41 PM > *To:* Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* [Sprinklerforum] Re: Unprotected areas > > *Caution: This email originated from outside of the organization. DO NOT > click links or open attachments unless you recognize and trust the sender.* > > ------------------------------ > Read section 1.1.3 of NFPA 25. You’re inspecting what is there for wear > and tear purposes. You are not verifying the design or installation of any > system > > > Bob Caputo, CFPS > *President* > *American Fire Sprinkler Association* > p: > 214-349-5965 ext124 > w: > firesprinkler.org > <https://www.facebook.com/firesprinkler.org> > <https://twitter.com/afsa/status/1039528345367732224> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/american-fire-sprinkler-association-afsa-> > <https://www.instagram.com/firesprinklerorg> > > *Train a safer, more efficient workforce.* > > By enrolling your employees in the AFSA Apprenticeship Training Series > for Sprinkler Fitters > <https://www.firesprinkler.org/WWW/Education/Apprentice_Training/WWW/Education/Apprenticeship_Training.aspx?hkey=e88ef09e-d74c-407f-abcd-995aff866149>, > you will reap the benefits of a qualified, professional installation crew. > Well-trained employees will work smarter, increasing your company's > productivity and, in turn, its profits. Learn more > <https://www.firesprinkler.org/WWW/Education/Apprentice_Training/WWW/Education/Apprenticeship_Training.aspx?hkey=e88ef09e-d74c-407f-abcd-995aff866149> > . > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2024 at 10:35 AM Brandon Bridgford <[email protected]> > wrote: > > How do you approach unprotected areas in regards to ITM and NFPA 25. I > know there was a discussion in the past regarding inspecting a system as > is, rather than writing up deficiencies that have to do with system design. > I have been told that this can open up more liability if you are not > inspecting all design elements (i.e. density, hazard levels, etc.) > > > > Thank you! > > Brandon > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > SprinklerForum mailing list: > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > [email protected] > > _________________________________________________________ SprinklerForum > mailing list: > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org To > unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > _________________________________________________________ SprinklerForum > mailing list: > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > [email protected] > > > _________________________________________________________ > SprinklerForum mailing list: > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > [email protected]
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