If you are performing a NFPA 25 inspection, stay in you lane. Only do what the standard states and your contract requires.
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“Stay in your lane.” IMHO.
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So what is worse, liability for operating outside a standard or the liability for not reporting a dangerous even if it is outside of that standard?
That is why we operate as Technicians, with predescribed action all written out for us.
Diligence dictates we cry foul for sure. Just note as an observation. The NFPA 25 report is not the plcae for it.
Now, this is a bit different in LA. One of the states I worked in as an NFPA 25 inspector. LA is a life safety state. So, we are Life Safety Inspectors. There are clear Negligence, and Gross Negligence requirements in obtaining the State License.
But in the end, operating outside of the adopted, predescribed standard, is a dangerous liability walk I do not care to take.
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Matt
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I understand the requirements and limitations of 25. But let me ask this. If the inspector notices and obvious problem that is outside of 25 and does not report it. If a fire occurs that is
caused or exacerbated by the problem that he noticed but did not report, what liability does he have.
As a PE, if I notice a dangerous condition and do not reported, I can be held liable.
Guys, this is a losing battle with Mike. He vents about how crappy our jobs are on other social media.
It's a shame, I used to like corresponding with him.
Mike, since our industry is so bad, and you are clearly making bank with your current position, might I suggest:
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Read section 1.1.3 of NFPA 25. You’re inspecting what is there for wear and tear purposes. You are not verifying the design or installation of any system
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How do you approach unprotected areas in regards to ITM and NFPA 25. I know there was a discussion in the past regarding inspecting a system as is, rather than writing up deficiencies that have to do with system design.
I have been told that this can open up more liability if you are not inspecting all design elements (i.e. density, hazard levels, etc.)
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