>Freedom of whom? I think you might find that people arguing for 
>freedom vs environmental responsibility are in fact arguing for 
>*corporate* freedom, not individual freedom, though they might think 
>that's what they're arguing for. 

Amen.  Big time.  My point exactly.  A lot of them *equate* the two.  The damage
done by folks running amuck with *equating* Big Business with Property rights is
extensive.  

Ayn Rand is often I think at the base of their thinking, but although she
championed Big Business as a persecuted Minority, she, herself, was *quite*
clear (at least in my opinion) that at base she was a proponent of man's rights
being defined, politically, as property rights, whether for individuals or
incorporated bodies of individuals.  She did not, to my knowledge, favor this
"equivalency" of Big Business with Property Rights and
screw-the-little-guy's-rights, although I'm sure others might argue with my
interpretation of her work.
>
>As for national hegemony, it's the poorest countries with the lowest 
>per capita energy consumption, only fractions of a percent of those 
>in the US, that will pay the most heavily for the disproportionate US 
>share in causing global warming. Would you call that freedom? If the 
>opposite were true and they were dumping on you like you're dumping 
>on them, would you call it freedom?

I think, hopefully, this argument can be brought to bear against the
bean-counters in the US, in some way.  I've been hoping to hear a sort of 

"Ok, US, if you don't want to be part of Kyoto, fine, but then if Global Warming
does turn out to have a lot of merit, and if massive damage is done, then please
be advised that we will be expecting Trillion-Dollar-Level Insurance
compensation, not necessarily from those initially responsible, but particularly
from those who refused corrective action once the problem became more apparent."

Not that I'd look forward to seeing my country felled by this, and hopefully we
can avoid it, but if the pocketbooks of those involved can be brought into the
picture, they might see Global Warming Preventative ACtion a bit differently.

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