If claims that Saddam had ties to Al Qaeda were true, we would be hearing it
from the administration, however even they are not making these assertions.
The fact that Saddam had WMD is not in dispute, however we went to war
because we were told by our president that we had evidence that Saddam
currently has WMD and a Nuclear program, and there for presented an eminent
threat to America -- a LIE.
We are talking about going to war half way around the world, killing so far
800 Americans, with over 10,000 wounded... and countless dead, maimed,
homeless Iraqis... (not to mention over $200 billion spent when children go
hungry without health care right here in America). I for one expect a
higher standard of proof and reason then we got from this administration.
Bottom line, this war will go down in history as a tragic mistake. We may
never be able to recover our standing and moral ground in the world. We
will create armies of terrorists that will fight American interests for
years to come, and we may find that we stand alone in that fight.
----- Original Message -----
From: "the_maniacal_engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 10:38 AM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel
> there were no WMD's. there was no sarin shell used against US troops,
> these aren't the droids you're looking for... you can go about your
> business... move along..... Pay no attention to the man behind the
> curtain.
>
> Iraq still retains control of its own oil, we have not seized it,
> although we could have, and there were WMD's (duh - where did the
> ssarin shell come from?)
> Christopher hitchins says there are 4 ways you can tell a complete
> idiot. These are the things a complete idiot says:
> 1) "sure Saddam was a bad guy but....
> Saddam was a sociopath and so were his putative heirs.
> 2) We are just going to war to take the Iraqi oil
> We buy the oil from iraq at market prices, and unlike the oil for
> food program administered by the corrupt french and russian interests
> at the UN, the money does not go to build opulent palaces or for
> weapons programs.
> 3) "there is no connection between Saddam and terror" or "Saddam is
> just a secular tyrant and has no truck with those religious zealots"
> he paid $25000 for each suicide bomber. the WTC bombing
> mastermind went to Iraq shortly after 9/11 and was given haven in
> Iraq, and is still there today. One of the planners of 9/11 was a
> colonel is Saddam's fedayin.
> 4) "there were no WMD's"
> DUH, they existed at the end of the first gulf war. to destroy
> them without supervision was a violation of international law. The
> Sarin and mustard attacks recently against US troops prove the
> contention that they didn't exist is totally false.
>
> didn't the ambassador recall that we just LEFT Saudi Arabia?
>
>
> --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Prince Turki al-Faisal, ambassador to Britain and Ireland, told the
> > >Irish Independent newspaper Washington's stated aims in going to war
> > >in Iraq masked a more cynical reality.
> > >
> > >"No matter how exalted the aims of the U.S. in that war, in the final
> > >analysis it was a colonial war very similar to the wars conducted by
> > >the ex-colonial powers when they went out to conquer the rest of the
> > >world ...," Prince Turki said.
> > >
> > >John Kerry, ever Mr. Cautious ("if only I can stay two points to the
> > >left of Bush I can win"), suggested that oil might have had something
> > >do with the invasion, too. Kerry, who's constantly bashing the
> > >Saudis, didn't exactly line up with Prince Turki. And he didn't
> > >exactly sound like an anti-imperialist, either. But he did suggest
> > >that oil was a factor. In a Washington Times piece entitled "Kerry
> > >hints at link between oil, Iraq war," the Times reports:
> > >http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040524-103200-9250r.htm
> >
> > >Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry yesterday suggested
> > >that America's dependence on foreign oil is the major reason the
> > >United States went to war with Iraq.
> > >
> > >"A strong America begins at home-with energy independence from the
> > >Middle East. Let's ensure that no young American soldier has to fight
> > >and die because of our dependence on foreign oil," the Massachusetts
> > >senator said.
> >
> > I'd like to point out that there are some substantial differences in
> > trying to make the case that America's oil dependencies have 'led'
> > inexorably to certain events, and to claiming that, specifically and
> > simplistically, America was simply trying to take oil. They are not
> > necessarily the same claim.
> >
> > I would be very much in favor of examining the first point and trying
> > to figure it out and examine the issue of causality.
> >
> > As to the second, I question it, though I guess it's possible.
> >
> > The author of this article, though, leaves little or no room for the
> > idea that there could be a difference, so the conversation and the
> > article to me becomes far less worth my while.
> >
> >
> > >Of course there were no weapons of mass destruction. Israel's
> > >intelligence, Mossad, knows what's going on in Iraq. They are the
> > >best. They have to know.
> >
> > Actually, around the time of the start of the invasion of Iraq,
> > Israeli Intelligence, I saw in one news report, stated that WMD or
> > other weapons (I don't recall how it was put) were being moved to
> > Syria. I've never seen this mentioned before or since.
>
>
>
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