--- Matt Golden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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If claims that Saddam had ties to Al Qaeda were true,
we would be hearing it
from the administration, however even they are not
making these assertions.
The fact that Saddam had WMD is not in dispute,
however we went to war
because we were told by our president that we had
evidence that Saddam
currently has WMD and a Nuclear program, and there for
presented an eminent
threat to America -- a LIE.
We are talking about going to war half way around the
world, killing so far
800 Americans, with over 10,000 wounded... and
countless dead, maimed,
homeless Iraqis... (not to mention over $200 billion
spent when children go
hungry without health care right here in America). I
for one expect a
higher standard of proof and reason then we got from
this administration.
Bottom line, this war will go down in history as a
tragic mistake. We may
never be able to recover our standing and moral ground
in the world. We
will create armies of terrorists that will fight
American interests for
years to come, and we may find that we stand alone in
that fight.
----- Original Message -----
From: "the_maniacal_engineer"
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To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 10:38 AM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel
> there were no WMD's. there was no sarin shell used
against US troops,
> these aren't the droids you're looking for... you
can go about your
> business... move along..... Pay no attention to the
man behind the
> curtain.
>
> Iraq still retains control of its own oil, we have
not seized it,
> although we could have, and there were WMD's (duh -
where did the
> ssarin shell come from?)
> Christopher hitchins says there are 4 ways you can
tell a complete
> idiot. These are the things a complete idiot says:
> 1) "sure Saddam was a bad guy but....
> Saddam was a sociopath and so were his putative
heirs.
> 2) We are just going to war to take the Iraqi oil
> We buy the oil from iraq at market prices, and
unlike the oil for
> food program administered by the corrupt french and
russian interests
> at the UN, the money does not go to build opulent
palaces or for
> weapons programs.
> 3) "there is no connection between Saddam and
terror" or "Saddam is
> just a secular tyrant and has no truck with those
religious zealots"
> he paid $25000 for each suicide bomber. the WTC
bombing
> mastermind went to Iraq shortly after 9/11 and was
given haven in
> Iraq, and is still there today. One of the planners
of 9/11 was a
> colonel is Saddam's fedayin.
> 4) "there were no WMD's"
> DUH, they existed at the end of the first gulf
war. to destroy
> them without supervision was a violation of
international law. The
> Sarin and mustard attacks recently against US troops
prove the
> contention that they didn't exist is totally false.
>
> didn't the ambassador recall that we just LEFT Saudi
Arabia?
>
>
> --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, murdoch
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Prince Turki al-Faisal, ambassador to Britain and
Ireland, told the
> > >Irish Independent newspaper Washington's stated
aims in going to war
> > >in Iraq masked a more cynical reality.
> > >
> > >"No matter how exalted the aims of the U.S. in
that war, in the final
> > >analysis it was a colonial war very similar to
the wars conducted by
> > >the ex-colonial powers when they went out to
conquer the rest of the
> > >world ...," Prince Turki said.
> > >
> > >John Kerry, ever Mr. Cautious ("if only I can
stay two points to the
> > >left of Bush I can win"), suggested that oil
might have had something
> > >do with the invasion, too. Kerry, who's
constantly bashing the
> > >Saudis, didn't exactly line up with Prince Turki.
And he didn't
> > >exactly sound like an anti-imperialist, either.
But he did suggest
> > >that oil was a factor. In a Washington Times
piece entitled "Kerry
> > >hints at link between oil, Iraq war," the Times
reports:
> >
>http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040524-103200-9250r.htm
> >
> > >Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry
yesterday suggested
> > >that America's dependence on foreign oil is the
major reason the
> > >United States went to war with Iraq.
> > >
> > >"A strong America begins at home-with energy
independence from the
> > >Middle East. Let's ensure that no young American
soldier has to fight
> > >and die because of our dependence on foreign
oil," the Massachusetts
> > >senator said.
> >
> > I'd like to point out that there are some
substantial differences in
> > trying to make the case that America's oil
dependencies have 'led'
> > inexorably to certain events, and to claiming
that, specifically and
> > simplistically, America was simply trying to take
oil. They are not
> > necessarily the same claim.
> >
> > I would be very much in favor of examining the
first point and trying
> > to figure it out and examine the issue of
causality.
> >
> > As to the second, I question it, though I guess
it's possible.
> >
> > The author of this article, though, leaves little
or no room for the
> > idea that there could be a difference, so the
conversation and the
> > article to me becomes far less worth my while.
> >
> >
> > >Of course there were no weapons of mass
destruction. Israel's
> > >intelligence, Mossad, knows what's going on in
Iraq. They are the
> > >best. They have to know.
> >
> > Actually, around the time of the start of the
invasion of Iraq,
> > Israeli Intelligence, I saw in one news report,
stated that WMD or
> > other weapons (I don't recall how it was put) were
being moved to
> > Syria. I've never seen this mentioned before or
since.
>
>
>
>
>
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