Yeah, whatever. Can you make biodiesel out of them? Zeke Yewdall wrote:
> Somehow, I doubt the wolves posess much danger to the elk and deer > populations long term, as they evolved together. They weren't a > "problem" for thousands and thousands of years. Putting domestic > animals that were relatively easy to kill, and that we "owned" in > place of the native game was when the problem began. It's sort of > like leaving all your food out on the ground in bear country, and then > claiming the bears are the problem. We've compounded it by reducing > habitat for the wild game, so the wolves learn to eat other prey that > they normally wouldn't. It a classic case of overpopulation of an > atypical food species, which is usually kept in check by an increase > in predators that can eat them, but normally don't. It's just rather > uncomfortable to find that we and our livestock are the food species > in this equation, instead of some hapless field mice or such. > > That being said, I don't relish being eaten, so I think that killing > wolves that learn that humans are potential prey would probably be a > good idea. Long term, it's not going to solve anything since we've > caused the situation. But long term, it wouldnt be good for wolves to > learn that humans are prey, even after they have their native game back. > > On 8/7/06, *Kirk McLoren* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > I lived in Montana for many years and some people still remember > the effort and expense we went to to remove them. Just remember > those midwest feedlots often fatten calves from Montana Dakota > Idaho Wyoming. They would be hard pressed to find stock without > those producers. That is what will happen if nothing is done. That > 60 ewes I quoted was as of last May, I dont have more recent info > as we sold our home back there. > When the game are gone then they hunt domestic animals. We are in > that transition now. > So far they just pay the rancher for the carcasses. I havent seen > much re control. > I think it reasonable they will become the problem they once were. > They are still wolves and do what wolves do. > Predators are predators. > Kirk > > > */DHAJOGLO <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>/* wrote: > Kirk, > I can't tell from your comment on this article whether you feel > issues with wolves are dealt with improperly or if you feel the > meat industry is going to take a real beating from them. We have > wolves here in Minnesota and the farmers truly hate them. However, > seeing as how the northern states make up a smaller percentage of > beef production, it seems the wolf impact would be negligible. > Looking at the USDA site, it appears that the beef populations > would have to take a significant hit (in the order of hundreds of > thousands) to really be impacted. Also, reading the post by > Richard, he seems more concerned about the game populations and > our safety. > > Anyway, here is the link to the USDA with the numbers of our > cattle industry: http://www.ers.usda.gov/news/BSECoverage.htm > <http://www.ers.usda.gov/news/BSECoverage.htm> > > Regards, > -dave > >>Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:03:57 -0700 (PDT) >>From: Kirk McLoren >>To: biofuel >>Subject: [Biofuel] Wolf attack near Grangeville >> >>If you think beef is expensive now wait till more of them start >>hunting cows instead of deer and elk. A wolf in Stanfield killed 8 >>steers in one night. So much for "they only kill for food". They >>started on sheep last year. Some ranchers are going out of business >>soon. One fellow lost over 60 ewes this spring. >>I bet none of you read any of this in the newspaper though. Or on tv. >>Kirk >> >> >> >> >>"Lady and Blackey: Cry Wolf >> >>By Scott Richard >> >> Hi, my name is Scott Richards and > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes > to Yahoo! 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