quite true keith.  you've touched on some points i've been meaning to bring
to bring to bear on this discussion.  hopefully i'll find some time to
contribute more.

robert, i was trying to draw you into the discussion as a thought exercise
(the thing about the whales).  this very question was put to me many years
back, and it proved to be very transformational.  no, i'm not trying to
"guru" you.  but i do like to share it when the opportunity presents itself.
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