You're not missing anything Randy. Why do you think there are so many athletes these days showing up with prednisone prescriptions? Do you think that it is legitimate?
malmo -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Treadway Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:15 PM To: t-and-f@darkwing.uoregon.edu Subject: RE: t-and-f: Is anyone innocent? I'm certainly no expert by any way of slicing it, but my understanding is that there is a very long list of banned doping substances of many types, but procedurally an athlete can also "declare" anything that is prescribed for a medical condition, and as long as it is deemed legitimate by whoever looks at those declarations, it's okay to compete with it in your system. On the surface that would seem ripe for abuse- namely by those who would exploit the medical situation (perhaps real, or perhaps a "cover") to excessively dope for performance--enhancing purposes. OR......and this is a much grayer area- Let's say somebody has a real medical condition, is prescribed stuff to take- DOES take it, and in only the prescribed dosage necessary to address the medical condition- BUT......that dosage also has side effects- namely performance enhancement. Let's say the athlete has no choice whether to take it or not- he/she has to because of the medical condition. The athlete is receiving a benefit that competitors are forbidden to share. Should the athlete be suspended from competition (not a negative connotation, just practical) until the medical condition subsides enough that the dosage can be discontinued? Should there also be a 'grace period' of additional suspension tacked on, to allow the dope to wash out of the body? Should frequent out-of-competition testing continue THROUGHOUT this time, to monitor what's going on with the athlete- and get the final 'green light' to return to competition? Right now, it would seem that most of these situations are unaddressed- they just have that procedure to 'declare it, along with a doctor's prescription, and you're clear'. And everybody knows doctor's prescriptions can be bought. Am I wrong? What am I missing here? Randy -----Original Message----- From: William Bahnfleth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Aug 23, 2005 4:53 PM To: t-and-f@darkwing.uoregon.edu Subject: RE: t-and-f: Is anyone innocent? <html> <body> Best performance enhancer of all? As Samuel Johnson (according to Boswell) said, "Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully."<font size=2> Why not accept the explanation that Armstrong was a different person mentally after surviving near-fatal cancer (or was that just a cover)--not to mention the frequently cited effect of significant weight reduction on his ability as a stage racer? Just too good to be true? How does cancer "conceal" EPO use, anyway--by reducing hemoglobin to normal levels?<br><br> </font>Bill Bahnfleth<br><br> At 01:43 PM 8/23/2005, Dan Kaplan wrote:<br> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">It's been suggested several times on the list that his cancer was the<br> perfect opportunity to "conceal" the best performance enhancer of them all<br> -- EPO -- used in cancer patients. The Discovery special about him having<br> a heart twice the size of average people is a much more appealing sell,<br> though.<br><br> Dan<br><br> --- "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:<br> > He didn't do it natuarlly. He got cancer and that turned him into the<br> > rider he is today.<br> > <br> > Martin J. Dixon, B. Math. (Hons), C.A.,<br> Millard Financial > Consulting Inc.<br> P.O. 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Similar to<br> > <br> > what Armstrong did to Ulrich this year.<br> <br> I just can't believe > that Armstrong could get to his status naturally<br> > after <br> > watching that time trial.<br> > <br> > I suggest anyone decrying their innocence submit a blood sample that<br> > would <br> > be frozen until more accurate testing is available.<br> <br> I wonder > how many takers there would be.<br> <br> Ricky<br> <br> > _________________________________________________________________<br> > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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