2008/11/27 Robert Vollmert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> How about: "Would an average roller blader like to use this?"

Take a cyclist with a racing bike. If they are training at high speed
they might find a road with irregularities and a few potholes
unusable. The next day the same rider and bike might be out on a ride
with the family and find the same road perfectly usable. On the family
ride the fact the road is low traffic and scenic is much more
important than on the training ride.

Clearly the cyclists objectives are playing a large part in
determining if a road is usable or not.

Is a road with potholes really smoothness=good? It must be because I
saw a racing bicycle use it.

I also use a city bike to map brideways and would happily use the
track pictured as smoothness=horrible if my objective is mapping.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Jena_Trackexample_profile.jpg
Since I used it on a city bike it must be surface=intermediate.

If you try to use the tag objectively it just does not work. If you
need to think about the average roller blader or average racing
cyclist then it is not objective. Trying to pretend it is subjective
when it isn't is just going to cause problems when people try and use
it objectively. Similar surfaces will end up with very different
smoothness values based on who they have seen use the road.

Collecting data to objectively classify smoothness is going to be a
lot of work. Physically measuring parts of the surface and the like. I
don't see the problem with admitting this and coming up with a decent
subjective scheme. I think you probably would get a lot of the benefit
of an objective scheme with a fraction of the effort.

-- 
DavidD

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