As I wrote (conveniently ignored in the noise of the vigilante rampage): "The safe, I admit also the less fun, option, is to simply block access after giving any required notice."
Simon Am 11.03.2020 um 14:49 schrieb joost schouppe: > Simon, > > I guess with small overlap you mean it's only about people who use > osm.org <http://osm.org> tiles, not people who use other services? > While that is true, the double whammy of both heavily using resources > and also not attributing does seem like a good subgroup to start with > some measures. > > In the case of the OSM.org tiles, I suppose this is regulated by > https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use . At first glance I > didn't see anything providing people who do not respect those terms. > Am I missing something, or is this a naive approach to the problem? > Even if the ToU's could be lacking in detail, couldn't we simply > change them? The final section talks about changes, which we seem to > be able to just do when we want to. > > I would think the biggest challenge on OSMF side would be the workload > for OWG/sysadmins. > > Best, > Joost > > Op zo 8 mrt. 2020 om 12:18 schreef Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch > <mailto:si...@poole.ch>>: > > Just for the record: > > Enforcing attribution for services that you are providing directly > (aka tiles in some form) only has a small overlap with the goals > of the attribution guideline, and the avenues open to you depend > on your ToUs / contracts with your users and the legal situation > in the countries you are providing the service in. > > I would be very very wary of doing anything that deliberately > defaces a web site without consulting with a local (to the country > the web site is in) lawyer, particularly if the message implies > wrong doing. The safe, I admit also the less fun, option, is to > simply block access after giving any required notice. > > Simon > > Am 08.03.2020 um 11:04 schrieb Yves: >> This looks at first as a nuisance that could be perceived as a >> bad move, but the feedback you're receiving rather prove the >> contrary. >> Well done! >> Ps: would you share your nginx partial redirect, I may consider >> it for Opensnowmap tiles policy? >> >> Le 8 mars 2020 10:14:58 GMT+01:00, Christian Quest >> <cqu...@openstreetmap.fr> <mailto:cqu...@openstreetmap.fr> a écrit : >> >> Here is a hort report on this experiment... >> >> I started a week ago by searching OSM France tile server logs >> for referer and checked manually if the map on the refering >> page was correctly attributed. >> >> This allowed me to create a short list of 20 entries of sites >> using the french styled tiles and the humanitarian tiles >> (yes, it is made by OSM France). >> >> >> I then modified our nginx based proxy_cache configuration, to >> redirect some tiles to an "attribution tile" only for the >> domain in the list. >> >> For two of them, I tweeted about it... the most visible one >> is the moroco yellow page service, generating a little less >> than a million daily tile requests on our servers. >> >> https://twitter.com/cq94/status/1234516075695525888 >> >> In less than 24 hours, the attribution appeared and I removed >> them from the list. >> >> https://twitter.com/cq94/status/1234779931537739776 >> >> >> Then I included an email address in the attribution reminder >> tile... and got emails back within a few hours. >> >> Some were asking how to do the attribution, others telling me >> the attribution was now ok and asking how to remove the >> reminder tiles. >> >> In my answers, I also remind that our tile service made by >> volunteers on donated hardware is not unlimited and inviting >> them to have a look at switch2osm to setup their own tile >> server or use a commercial provider. >> >> Up to now, nobody complained :) >> >> >> Yesterday, I've started automating attribution checking using >> selenium. For each referer, a python script loads the page, >> searches for tiles, then looks for attribution text or link. >> The result is stored in a postgresql database which allows to >> group referers by url, hostname and ip. >> >> The attribution percentage I currently see is around 70-80% >> which is not that bad. >> >> My next major step is to use the same technique to remind >> about tile usage policy... >> >> >> To do something similar on osm.org <http://osm.org>, a first >> step is to extract referers from the cache logs, then use the >> automated attribution check to evaluate the situation. >> >> >> Le 08/03/2020 à 01:52, Nuno Caldeira a écrit : >>> That would be a good option for those that use third party >>> providers of OSM. But to be honest, from my experience I >>> highly doubt that even corporate members of OSMF, like >>> Mapbox would do it, when their client Facebook (also >>> corporate member of OSMF) after one year and half, still has >>> maps with lack of attribution or attributed to HERE, when >>> it's clearly OSM. >>> >>> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020, 00:46 Phil Wyatt, <p...@wyatt-family.com >>> <mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I am sure others may have seen this 'blacklist' >>> implementation for showing a reminder about attribution. >>> >>> https://twitter.com/cq94/status/1234528717604577282 >>> >>> Worthy of consideration for openstreetmap.org >>> <http://openstreetmap.org>? >>> >>> Cheers - Phil >>> >> -- >> Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > -- > Joost Schouppe > OpenStreetMap > <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | Twitter > <https://twitter.com/joostjakob> | LinkedIn > <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/joost-schouppe/48/939/603> | Meetup > <http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/members/97979802/>
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