I think you all have started to cross the line on civil discourse. Let's all take a deep breath and remember that it's a public listserve.
Jerry. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 12, 2014, at 5:52 AM, Mike Flannigan <mikef...@att.net> wrote: > > It isn't that hard to understand. Quite clear actually. > He stated facts about the USGS and then some opinions > from Wildlife Department biologists and himself. > > You obviously don't agree, so you use words like > "rant" and "shoot off their mouth". You might want to > change your field of study to global warming. You'd fit > right in with that "scientific" crowd. > > > Mike > > > > On 6/11/2014 9:25 PM, Debbie Buecher wrote: >> Hi Steve, >> I could not entirely understand your most recent rant but that is not >> entirely new. >> >> I have REAL scientific data that I have presented a number of times at SWR >> paper regionals that documents bat hibernacula microclimate data >> (temperatures and RH) from both AZ and NM bat roosts. It shows >> conclusively that these caves have appropriate microclimate for >> Pseudogymnoascus destructans to flourish. I am currently >> preparing a manuscript for a peer-reviewed journal to report these findings. >> If you were a scientist you would understand the rigorous protocols that >> scientists must follow in order to publish findings. Cavers are more >> fortunate because they are free to shoot off their mouth without checking >> with anyone first. >> Cheers, >> Debbie >> >> Debbie Buecher >> Buecher Biological Consulting >> >> >> >> Stephen Fleming <casto...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On 06/11/2014 7:17, Debbie Buecher wrote: >>> Hi ET, >>> The cave myotis in southern Arizona go up in elevation and enter >>> hibernation in late Sept and come out in April. Myotis are the hardest hit >>> back east so we have real concerns for their counterparts in the West. >>> Debbie >> >> Your statement about cave myotis is deflated by the May 6, 2014 press >> release from the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation noting that >> not only had >> >> "scientists with the U.S. Geological Survey National Wildlife Health Center >> have dropped Oklahoma from the list of areas where White-Nose Syndrome in >> bats has been suspected or confirmed." >> >> But, >> >> "The scientists have also removed the Cave Myotis (Myotis velifer) from the >> list of bat species that have tested positive for the fungus >> (Pseudogymnoascus destructans) that has been associated with White-Nose >> Syndrome..." >> >> And, >> >> "Wildlife Department biologists commended the U.S. Geological Survey >> National Wildlife Heath Center's continued efforts to ensure accuracy and >> transparency in diagnostic results." >> >> That ranks right up there with removing Oklahoma from the Chicken Little >> list. It actually is refreshing because, except for the USGS, we have seen >> zero accuracy and transparency from any other agency or groups-with-agendas >> from the get-go of this problem. >> >> The USGS obviously holds science and professionalism in much higher regard >> than various land agencies. The land agencies ought to be embarrassed for >> substituting fiction for fact, but it's clear they aren't troubled in the >> least by their actions, which constitute serious lapses of judgment and >> professionalism. It's clear they believe they are not accountable for their >> actions. And, they are not if the public does not hold them accountable. >> >> >> Because agencies are doing things without having an articulable (legal >> definition: capable of being expressed, explained, or justified) basis as to >> why, and they simply don't care that it's obvious their actions are a total >> sham to everyone with the ability to think and question. Remember, if you >> are a tourist at Mammoth Cave in the heart of proven WNS cases, you not only >> can go into a completely open cave, where WNS has been confirmed, but your >> "decon" is to stroll across some silly bio-mat on your way out and on to the >> next tourist cave. However, if you are in NM, hundreds and hundreds of miles >> from any WNS, caves are nearly completely closed because they're deemed "at >> risk" (without so much as a scintilla of proof) and if you can get into one >> you have to boil your clothes, and jump through other hoops, repeatedly. >> That's hardly science, and it certainly isn't "management." Professionalism >> is not the word that comes to mind. Voodoo and "we don't care about the >> science, or what anyone thinks; we're in charge" does. >> >> Wrong on every level. >> >> Stephen > > _______________________________________________ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr > _______________________________________________ > This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
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