boy how times change. I loved the really old days of lets throw a party, pitch in where you can with money or help. thanks to the thoughtful previous registrars who quietly made decisions based on something other than cash. Nancy
> On Aug 29, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Michael Cicherski <coastalca...@me.com> wrote: > > Well written! > > Having run Registration, by myself for a number of years, I can quietly > report that I have allowed more than a few to attend TCR who could not afford > it. Most of the time it was a quiet conversation with someone who had fallen > on hard times and just needed a little bit of a break. > > I never made a big deal of it and never reported it on the books. > > Oh, there were the normal goofballs who complained about having to pay full > amount, but I ignored them and after they ran out of hot air they paid the > proper fees. > > Hope all is well, > > Michael > > On Aug 29, 2018, at 7:59 AM, Allan Cobb <a...@oztotl.com > <mailto:a...@oztotl.com>> wrote: > >> I'm with Mr. Loving on this. When I read that line about people without >> wristbands being thrown out, it raised my hackles. I ran TCR for a few >> years. I know the problem of people not registering. However, I never would >> have thrown people out for not registering. Is this what the community has >> devolved into? >> >> There are a few cavers who always attend TCR, TSA Convention, etc. who pride >> themselves on not paying. I know who they are. When I would see them, at >> TCR, I would sometime make a comment to them, sometimes not. These are the >> same people who would pride themselves out of paying a $1 fee on TSA >> projects. >> >> There are also cavers who paying the TCR registration would be a huge >> financial burden due to hard times. I usually had a pretty good idea of who >> those were. All they had to do was ask and I would comp them registration. I >> get it, I've had hard times too. Some of them were too proud to ask. I knew >> that too. I would have NEVER thrown those people out of TCR. They are part >> of the community. >> I always heard people complain that they should not have to pay because they >> don't want to eat the meal. That's is a good point but the cost of the meal >> is only a small part of the registration fee. I've had people ask me to have >> a fee that doesn't include the meal. To them, I answered that the more >> complicated registration becomes that harder it is to get people to do it >> and the easier to make mistakes. >> >> That said, here's why you SHOULD register for TCR, TSA Conventions, etc. >> These events require money. We have to pay for the site, we pay for >> portapotties, we pay for many incidentals. If you are one of those people >> who think you are too good to pay or it is a game not to pay, you are >> basically stealing from other cavers. You are directly responsible for >> raising the price for all of the cavers who pay. They costs are fixed for >> many of these events. The cost is divided among those who attend and pay. If >> you don't pay, your portion of the cost, your portion of the cost is passed >> on to other cavers. If you choose not to pay, at least thank all the people >> who did pay for paying your share as well. >> >> "Throw people out" for not registering, bad idea. Shame them a bit, I'm fine >> with that. I am no longer running TCR so I don't really have any say in how >> it works. In the past, TCR has always been about bringing cavers together, >> the new cavers and us old cavers. TCR has been about friends getting >> together and hanging out. TCR has always been about seeing old friends and >> making new ones. However, if "throw them out" is the spirit of the "new" >> TCR, perhaps it is time to end this long running tradition. >> Allan Cobb >> Retired TCR Big Cheese and Caver Wrangler >> >> >> On 8/29/2018 6:23 AM, Charles Loving wrote: >>> I wrote a nasty comment on the getting thown out for not having the proper >>> identity band but didn't post it. >>> Old Man Wisdom >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:11 PM TSA Membership Chair <trog...@cavechat.org >>> <mailto:trog...@cavechat.org>> wrote: >>> Hi all! >>> >>> We're still a little over a month out, but I figured I'd start the waters >>> churning for volunteers to help in shifts for registration. I've got a >>> number of shifts ranging from 2 to 4 hours that need to be filled. I'll be >>> there all shifts, but I need one other person to help me out with paperwork >>> and such for each shift. I also need an outgoing personality to spend some >>> time on Saturday wandering to each camp area to make sure everyone has >>> their wristband. >>> >>> I have been informed that if you don't have a wristband this year, you will >>> be kicked out... so... y'all should all register as soon as you get to camp >>> (cash or check only this year!)! >>> I'll send out a separate email closer to the date with registration info >>> for those who won't be volunteering, so you know when registration will be >>> open- dependent on how many volunteers I can get! >>> >>> If you are interested in volunteering, let me know in a separate email and >>> I'll let you know the shifts I've got still available! My email is >>> trog...@cavechat.org <mailto:trog...@cavechat.org> >>> >>> >>> Also... we'll have cookies. You know, if you need some incentive to help.. >>> ;) >>> >>> Happy caving and even happier volunteering! >>> >>> -Heather Tucek >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Go find out! >>> -Heather Tuček >>> TSA Membership Chair >>> NSS 59660 >>> (512) 773-1348 >>> members...@cavetexas.org <mailto:members...@cavetexas.org> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com <http://texascavers.com/> >>> Texascavers@texascavers.com <mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | >>> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/> >>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >>> <http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Charlie Loving >>> >>> >>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> >>> Virus-free. www.avg.com >>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> >>> <x-msg://109/#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com <http://texascavers.com/> >>> Texascavers@texascavers.com <mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | >>> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/> >>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >>> <http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com <http://texascavers.com/> >> Texascavers@texascavers.com <mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/> >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> <http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers> > _______________________________________________ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
_______________________________________________ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
