Thanks ArchiMark!
On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 2:15 PM ArchiMark <srebn...@gmail.com> wrote: > Great posts, David! Think your on the right track about having the right > people review TW, hopefully, in a positive manner. Agree, this would give a > big boost to TW awareness and hopefully, generate more people using it. > > Writing this as TW Newb who only discovered TW and other like apps in the > past week or so. > > Like Ray, I recognized quickly that TW is a great and powerful, useful > tool, IF you know how to use it effectively. Also, like Ray, I found trying > to get my head around how to use it effectively is another matter and can > quickly feel a bit overwhelming in terms of all the 'technical stuff' one > needs to know about and comprehend in order to have TW do what you want it > to do, even if you want to rely on all the resources available to > customize TW. > > I've been watching various TW videos the past week. Most are helpful to a > newb to some degree. Watched Francis Meetze's tutorial videos (# 1 & 2) the > other day. While his scripts could be a bit tighter, I've found the way he > communicates how to navigate and customize TW extremely helpful and > understandable to a newb like me. So, will continue to watch more of his > videos to try and accelerate my TW learning curve. > > I know it will take me some time (but not too long...) to get to a point > where I feel very comfortable with TW. But I feel there's a big payoff in > doing so. Therefore, willing to put some time and energy to do this. > > Best, > > Mark > > PS. Thanks! for sharing Stroll. It looked very useful to me so have > included it in my TW.... > > On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 6:41:15 AM UTC-8 David Gifford wrote: > >> Hi Ray >> >> Your situation reminds me of myself years ago when I wrote "TiddlyWiki >> for the Rest of Us" for TW classic. >> >> You seem to be using 'nono' as an abbreviation that I am not aware of. >> Does it mean 'know nothing'? Or something else? >> >> I would definitely say that you should write some tutorials as you learn >> something new, whether those are blog posts or videos. Every bit helps. I >> have done this at times on my >> https://giffmex.org/gifts/documenting.tw.html. So, yes! By all means, >> let's see what ya got! >> >> And don't be shy about asking for help here in this forum when you get >> stuck on soemthing new you are learning. I have done that for years, and >> they haven't come with pitchforks and torches yet to get rid of me because >> of my constant requests for help. We have a lot of helpful people here who >> are generous with their time. >> >> Blessings! >> >> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 8:29:32 AM UTC-6 rayv...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> May i chip in as a complete and utter NONO? >>> >>> I discovered TW some six years ago. Then went over to Evernote and quit >>> that recently for another tool. >>> Now i work again with TW5 and have a very very hard time to learn it. >>> Man is this some difficult piece of work to master. >>> Reminds me of me learning Unix 20 years ago.... same horrible learning >>> curve... but now i am a Linux teacher :-) >>> >>> So i learn a very small bit of TW5 every day. Piece by piece the magic >>> unravels itself.... but did i say how hard it is? >>> >>> I am an outgoing kind of guy and surely want to help promote TW, realy! >>> >>> What i notice is the lack of structured tutorials... you have to look >>> all over the place to find them. >>> I had tremendous progress with 10 minutes online with Huber Simon >>> (THANKS!!) >>> >>> There is a Discord group with no or little response.... A Reddit group >>> kind of alive. >>> But as a newcomer you are in my opinion on your own. >>> Yes there are some good youtube videos, and they help you to get started. >>> But getting started leads you to more questions.... that is the power >>> and beauty of TW. >>> >>> What *I* need is a more step by step approach.... sometimes i read TW >>> lingo and my brain goes: <KRANK, brain fried, core dumped> >>> >>> So i ask and ask again, sometimes indeed get an answer, more often not >>> but i keep going, >>> That gives me tiny bits of progress every day.... >>> >>> So.... i am willing to help setup a tutorial (i am no influencer but >>> extrovert enough :-) ) >>> I am the ideal nono noob user who can learn and then can teach. >>> >>> So yes i would like to help. >>> Maybe in some kind of online meeting ?? >>> >>> Let me know your thoughts, please. >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> >>> >>> Op vr 5 mrt. 2021 om 14:56 schreef David Gifford <dgif...@crcna.org>: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi all >>>> >>>> I wrote the following comments for another thread, but I don't want to >>>> derail that thread and am starting a new one. >>>> >>>> 1. OVERCOMING PREJUDICE AGAINST ROAM >>>> >>>> I don't know why there are so many negative comments towards Roam in >>>> this Google Group. They, and their users, are constantly improving Roam, >>>> and it can do way more than even 6 months ago. They are not resting on >>>> backlinks as their only feature (not that they were doing that even a year >>>> ago, when they had filters, graphs, two columns, etc). So the comments just >>>> feel like they are generated out of envy of their success. >>>> >>>> Also, Roam doesn't seem to be overhyping itself. The Roam USERS are the >>>> ones posting accolades on Twitter, and the Roam account (or Connor's >>>> account) retweets them. Which is no different from what @TiddlyWiki does. >>>> And other influencers are creating courses to cash in on people wanting to >>>> learn it. And YouTubers are hoping for hits on their pages by creating >>>> videos about Roam. Everything just snowballed for Roam, like it did for >>>> Notion in 2019. And like it could for TiddlyWiki. >>>> >>>> I think complaints about Roam are a waste of time. The question is, >>>> what can we do, positively, to learn from what they did, so that TiddlyWiki >>>> gets the attention and recognition it deserves? Knowing full well that we >>>> have a great open source product, how can we get and retain users? >>>> >>>> 2. LESSONS FOR TIDDLYWIKI >>>> >>>> I have a feeling that most of the people who are on this forum, myself >>>> included, are not the people best suited to actually promote TW, and that >>>> we need win over some extroverted influencer types, to come up with better >>>> onboarding materials, and then promote the heck out of TW. Just remember >>>> how much attention we got when Anne-Laure LeCunff wrote a couple blog posts >>>> on TiddlyWiki last Spring, and I merely tagged Roam Research's @ username a >>>> few times on my tweets when I debuted Stroll? Imagine what we could do with >>>> a few well-produced video tutorials and highlighting of TW's capabilities, >>>> and testimonials from influencers. By people who know how to express it in >>>> non-technical, non-absract terms. >>>> >>>> Someone should convince Nat Eliason or someone like him to write and >>>> promote a paid web course for TiddlyWiki, or ask people to create more >>>> video tutorials for TW on Youtube. Top candidates: Video walkthroughs for >>>> Timimi and each of the other options for saving. / Ten great plugins for >>>> TiddlyWiki for notetaking / ten for productivity / ten for images / ten for >>>> searching / ten for adjusting the UI, etc >>>> >>>> Rather than grumbling about Roam we should just figure out the right >>>> strategy to make TiddlyWiki popular and get someone to do it for us. For >>>> free. They do the work, and get paid by the hits on their Youtube videos >>>> and blog posts, or in the case of the courses, the fee they charge for the >>>> course. And if they make it look as if they 'discovered' TiddlyWiki even >>>> though it has ben around for years, and even though we approached them >>>> rather than them discovering TiddlyWiki, let them. Who cares. Let them get >>>> their ego stroked. As long as TW gets the press it ought to. >>>> >>>> We have had exposure at times, but a deficient onboarding experience >>>> held us back ("wait, I have to read through documentation about numerous >>>> saving options before I can even use this on my computer?"). If we could >>>> get the onboarding experience right, then get key people to get us the >>>> exposure, TiddlyWiki would have its day. >>>> >>>> Thoughts? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/02b08c21-c51f-45c5-bf91-0abb10135126n%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/02b08c21-c51f-45c5-bf91-0abb10135126n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/eeaYrdumnuo/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d0ec7efa-153b-4ab8-95b0-61538166571cn%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d0ec7efa-153b-4ab8-95b0-61538166571cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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