On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 7:03 AM bluespire <gswrut...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would be interested in chatting about this. > > I too feel that TW5 could be a killer app, but I think it needs to be > presented to the mainstream in a way that separates itself from all the > other note-taking tools. TW5 is very powerful, but is distributed in a very > vanilla form. That's great for power the two ends of the user bell-curve; > power users, and very light users. The majority of users want something at > least as close to what Evernote can deliver. I believe that for TW5 to go > mainstream, a polished, customized, version of it should be marketed as an > "Evernote clone, but can be self-hosted (privacy), customized, and > scripted". Doesn't have to be "evernote clone", choose your poison, but I > still think that is the best way to go. Then you will get the mainstream > hooked, and the power-users and developers will follow (at least I hope so). > That is a pain! TW in the current form is not suitable for the majority of users! But it is a killer app as you said for many advanced users! > > My major blocker is screen-shots and robust WYSIWYG, that I'm trying to > get around with by using CKEditor embedded. > Let me disagree! Lets TW uses a plain editor for text! There are some tools to edit and see the results side by side! Keep it light and simple > > On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 7:49:43 PM UTC-6 sreb...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Thanks for clarifying, Ray..... >> >> Would enjoy joining you sometime, but for me, would likely need to be on >> a Monday - Friday, my weekends are a bit hectic for various reasons.... >> >> Best, >> >> Mark >> >> >> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 4:36:17 PM UTC-8 rayv...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> I was aiming it anyone who want to join ;-) >>> Jitsi is a very easy platform to video meet. >>> Tomorrow i start one again. >>> Everybody is welcome. Nothing official, just hanging out, learning, >>> making plans, whatever comes up :-) >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> Op za 6 mrt. 2021 om 01:05 schreef ArchiMark <sreb...@gmail.com>: >>> >>>> Hi Ray, were you aiming your suggestion at me or ? >>>> >>>> In any event, just saw your post now....several hours later.... >>>> >>>> If at me, please note I'm in California, so on PST time, and at work >>>> right now...however, either very early mornings or usually over my lunch >>>> hour or sometimes my afternoons work. >>>> >>>> If you were aiming this at David or someone else, please ignore this >>>> post... :-) >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 12:34:27 PM UTC-8 rayv...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> Maybe we get together online and have a setup session? >>>>> Learning and make some plans in promoting TW to get it to a >>>>> higher level? >>>>> I am online all the time, Jitsi is a tool i use often: >>>>> https://meet.jit.si/TiddlyWiki is active now :-) >>>>> >>>>> Ray >>>>> >>>>> Op vr 5 mrt. 2021 om 21:15 schreef ArchiMark <sreb...@gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>>> Great posts, David! Think your on the right track about having the >>>>>> right people review TW, hopefully, in a positive manner. Agree, this >>>>>> would >>>>>> give a big boost to TW awareness and hopefully, generate more people >>>>>> using >>>>>> it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Writing this as TW Newb who only discovered TW and other like apps in >>>>>> the past week or so. >>>>>> >>>>>> Like Ray, I recognized quickly that TW is a great and powerful, >>>>>> useful tool, IF you know how to use it effectively. Also, like Ray, I >>>>>> found >>>>>> trying to get my head around how to use it effectively is another matter >>>>>> and can quickly feel a bit overwhelming in terms of all the 'technical >>>>>> stuff' one needs to know about and comprehend in order to have TW do what >>>>>> you want it to do, even if you want to rely on all the resources >>>>>> available >>>>>> to customize TW. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been watching various TW videos the past week. Most are helpful >>>>>> to a newb to some degree. Watched Francis Meetze's tutorial videos (# 1 & >>>>>> 2) the other day. While his scripts could be a bit tighter, I've found >>>>>> the >>>>>> way he communicates how to navigate and customize TW extremely helpful >>>>>> and >>>>>> understandable to a newb like me. So, will continue to watch more of his >>>>>> videos to try and accelerate my TW learning curve. >>>>>> >>>>>> I know it will take me some time (but not too long...) to get to a >>>>>> point where I feel very comfortable with TW. But I feel there's a big >>>>>> payoff in doing so. Therefore, willing to put some time and energy to do >>>>>> this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> PS. Thanks! for sharing Stroll. It looked very useful to me so have >>>>>> included it in my TW.... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 6:41:15 AM UTC-8 David Gifford wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Ray >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your situation reminds me of myself years ago when I wrote >>>>>>> "TiddlyWiki for the Rest of Us" for TW classic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You seem to be using 'nono' as an abbreviation that I am not aware >>>>>>> of. Does it mean 'know nothing'? Or something else? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would definitely say that you should write some tutorials as you >>>>>>> learn something new, whether those are blog posts or videos. Every bit >>>>>>> helps. I have done this at times on my >>>>>>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/documenting.tw.html. So, yes! By all >>>>>>> means, let's see what ya got! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And don't be shy about asking for help here in this forum when you >>>>>>> get stuck on soemthing new you are learning. I have done that for years, >>>>>>> and they haven't come with pitchforks and torches yet to get rid of me >>>>>>> because of my constant requests for help. We have a lot of helpful >>>>>>> people >>>>>>> here who are generous with their time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Blessings! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 8:29:32 AM UTC-6 rayv...@gmail.com >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> May i chip in as a complete and utter NONO? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I discovered TW some six years ago. Then went over to Evernote and >>>>>>>> quit that recently for another tool. >>>>>>>> Now i work again with TW5 and have a very very hard time to learn >>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>> Man is this some difficult piece of work to master. >>>>>>>> Reminds me of me learning Unix 20 years ago.... same horrible >>>>>>>> learning curve... but now i am a Linux teacher :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So i learn a very small bit of TW5 every day. Piece by piece the >>>>>>>> magic unravels itself.... but did i say how hard it is? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am an outgoing kind of guy and surely want to help promote TW, >>>>>>>> realy! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What i notice is the lack of structured tutorials... you have to >>>>>>>> look all over the place to find them. >>>>>>>> I had tremendous progress with 10 minutes online with Huber Simon >>>>>>>> (THANKS!!) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is a Discord group with no or little response.... A Reddit >>>>>>>> group kind of alive. >>>>>>>> But as a newcomer you are in my opinion on your own. >>>>>>>> Yes there are some good youtube videos, and they help you to get >>>>>>>> started. >>>>>>>> But getting started leads you to more questions.... that is the >>>>>>>> power and beauty of TW. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What *I* need is a more step by step approach.... sometimes i read >>>>>>>> TW lingo and my brain goes: <KRANK, brain fried, core dumped> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So i ask and ask again, sometimes indeed get an answer, more often >>>>>>>> not but i keep going, >>>>>>>> That gives me tiny bits of progress every day.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So.... i am willing to help setup a tutorial (i am no influencer >>>>>>>> but extrovert enough :-) ) >>>>>>>> I am the ideal nono noob user who can learn and then can teach. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So yes i would like to help. >>>>>>>> Maybe in some kind of online meeting ?? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let me know your thoughts, please. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ray >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Op vr 5 mrt. 2021 om 14:56 schreef David Gifford <dgif...@crcna.org >>>>>>>> >: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I wrote the following comments for another thread, but I don't >>>>>>>>> want to derail that thread and am starting a new one. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. OVERCOMING PREJUDICE AGAINST ROAM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't know why there are so many negative comments towards Roam >>>>>>>>> in this Google Group. They, and their users, are constantly improving >>>>>>>>> Roam, >>>>>>>>> and it can do way more than even 6 months ago. They are not resting on >>>>>>>>> backlinks as their only feature (not that they were doing that even a >>>>>>>>> year >>>>>>>>> ago, when they had filters, graphs, two columns, etc). So the >>>>>>>>> comments just >>>>>>>>> feel like they are generated out of envy of their success. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also, Roam doesn't seem to be overhyping itself. The Roam USERS >>>>>>>>> are the ones posting accolades on Twitter, and the Roam account (or >>>>>>>>> Connor's account) retweets them. Which is no different from what >>>>>>>>> @TiddlyWiki does. And other influencers are creating courses to cash >>>>>>>>> in on >>>>>>>>> people wanting to learn it. And YouTubers are hoping for hits on their >>>>>>>>> pages by creating videos about Roam. Everything just snowballed for >>>>>>>>> Roam, >>>>>>>>> like it did for Notion in 2019. And like it could for TiddlyWiki. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think complaints about Roam are a waste of time. The question >>>>>>>>> is, what can we do, positively, to learn from what they did, so that >>>>>>>>> TiddlyWiki gets the attention and recognition it deserves? Knowing >>>>>>>>> full >>>>>>>>> well that we have a great open source product, how can we get and >>>>>>>>> retain >>>>>>>>> users? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2. LESSONS FOR TIDDLYWIKI >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have a feeling that most of the people who are on this forum, >>>>>>>>> myself included, are not the people best suited to actually promote >>>>>>>>> TW, and >>>>>>>>> that we need win over some extroverted influencer types, to come up >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> better onboarding materials, and then promote the heck out of TW. Just >>>>>>>>> remember how much attention we got when Anne-Laure LeCunff wrote a >>>>>>>>> couple >>>>>>>>> blog posts on TiddlyWiki last Spring, and I merely tagged Roam >>>>>>>>> Research's @ >>>>>>>>> username a few times on my tweets when I debuted Stroll? Imagine what >>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>> could do with a few well-produced video tutorials and highlighting of >>>>>>>>> TW's >>>>>>>>> capabilities, and testimonials from influencers. By people who know >>>>>>>>> how to >>>>>>>>> express it in non-technical, non-absract terms. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Someone should convince Nat Eliason or someone like him to write >>>>>>>>> and promote a paid web course for TiddlyWiki, or ask people to create >>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>> video tutorials for TW on Youtube. Top candidates: Video walkthroughs >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> Timimi and each of the other options for saving. / Ten great plugins >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> TiddlyWiki for notetaking / ten for productivity / ten for images / >>>>>>>>> ten for >>>>>>>>> searching / ten for adjusting the UI, etc >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Rather than grumbling about Roam we should just figure out the >>>>>>>>> right strategy to make TiddlyWiki popular and get someone to do it >>>>>>>>> for us. >>>>>>>>> For free. They do the work, and get paid by the hits on their Youtube >>>>>>>>> videos and blog posts, or in the case of the courses, the fee they >>>>>>>>> charge >>>>>>>>> for the course. And if they make it look as if they 'discovered' >>>>>>>>> TiddlyWiki >>>>>>>>> even though it has ben around for years, and even though we >>>>>>>>> approached them >>>>>>>>> rather than them discovering TiddlyWiki, let them. Who cares. Let >>>>>>>>> them get >>>>>>>>> their ego stroked. As long as TW gets the press it ought to. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We have had exposure at times, but a deficient onboarding >>>>>>>>> experience held us back ("wait, I have to read through documentation >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> numerous saving options before I can even use this on my computer?"). >>>>>>>>> If we >>>>>>>>> could get the onboarding experience right, then get key people to get >>>>>>>>> us >>>>>>>>> the exposure, TiddlyWiki would have its day. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/02b08c21-c51f-45c5-bf91-0abb10135126n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/02b08c21-c51f-45c5-bf91-0abb10135126n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d0ec7efa-153b-4ab8-95b0-61538166571cn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d0ec7efa-153b-4ab8-95b0-61538166571cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/8f84d8e7-0a47-47bb-9907-6418251e1975n%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/8f84d8e7-0a47-47bb-9907-6418251e1975n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/57da1a15-f3d9-4adf-80e1-f6907f083fddn%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/57da1a15-f3d9-4adf-80e1-f6907f083fddn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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