I was aiming it anyone who want to join ;-) Jitsi is a very easy platform to video meet. Tomorrow i start one again. Everybody is welcome. Nothing official, just hanging out, learning, making plans, whatever comes up :-)
Ray Op za 6 mrt. 2021 om 01:05 schreef ArchiMark <srebn...@gmail.com>: > Hi Ray, were you aiming your suggestion at me or ? > > In any event, just saw your post now....several hours later.... > > If at me, please note I'm in California, so on PST time, and at work right > now...however, either very early mornings or usually over my lunch hour or > sometimes my afternoons work. > > If you were aiming this at David or someone else, please ignore this > post... :-) > > Mark > > On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 12:34:27 PM UTC-8 rayv...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Maybe we get together online and have a setup session? >> Learning and make some plans in promoting TW to get it to a higher level? >> I am online all the time, Jitsi is a tool i use often: >> https://meet.jit.si/TiddlyWiki is active now :-) >> >> Ray >> >> Op vr 5 mrt. 2021 om 21:15 schreef ArchiMark <sreb...@gmail.com>: >> >>> Great posts, David! Think your on the right track about having the right >>> people review TW, hopefully, in a positive manner. Agree, this would give a >>> big boost to TW awareness and hopefully, generate more people using it. >>> >>> Writing this as TW Newb who only discovered TW and other like apps in >>> the past week or so. >>> >>> Like Ray, I recognized quickly that TW is a great and powerful, useful >>> tool, IF you know how to use it effectively. Also, like Ray, I found trying >>> to get my head around how to use it effectively is another matter and can >>> quickly feel a bit overwhelming in terms of all the 'technical stuff' one >>> needs to know about and comprehend in order to have TW do what you want it >>> to do, even if you want to rely on all the resources available to >>> customize TW. >>> >>> I've been watching various TW videos the past week. Most are helpful to >>> a newb to some degree. Watched Francis Meetze's tutorial videos (# 1 & 2) >>> the other day. While his scripts could be a bit tighter, I've found the way >>> he communicates how to navigate and customize TW extremely helpful and >>> understandable to a newb like me. So, will continue to watch more of his >>> videos to try and accelerate my TW learning curve. >>> >>> I know it will take me some time (but not too long...) to get to a point >>> where I feel very comfortable with TW. But I feel there's a big payoff in >>> doing so. Therefore, willing to put some time and energy to do this. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> PS. Thanks! for sharing Stroll. It looked very useful to me so have >>> included it in my TW.... >>> >>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 6:41:15 AM UTC-8 David Gifford wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Ray >>>> >>>> Your situation reminds me of myself years ago when I wrote "TiddlyWiki >>>> for the Rest of Us" for TW classic. >>>> >>>> You seem to be using 'nono' as an abbreviation that I am not aware of. >>>> Does it mean 'know nothing'? Or something else? >>>> >>>> I would definitely say that you should write some tutorials as you >>>> learn something new, whether those are blog posts or videos. Every bit >>>> helps. I have done this at times on my >>>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/documenting.tw.html. So, yes! By all means, >>>> let's see what ya got! >>>> >>>> And don't be shy about asking for help here in this forum when you get >>>> stuck on soemthing new you are learning. I have done that for years, and >>>> they haven't come with pitchforks and torches yet to get rid of me because >>>> of my constant requests for help. We have a lot of helpful people here who >>>> are generous with their time. >>>> >>>> Blessings! >>>> >>>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 8:29:32 AM UTC-6 rayv...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> May i chip in as a complete and utter NONO? >>>>> >>>>> I discovered TW some six years ago. Then went over to Evernote and >>>>> quit that recently for another tool. >>>>> Now i work again with TW5 and have a very very hard time to learn it. >>>>> Man is this some difficult piece of work to master. >>>>> Reminds me of me learning Unix 20 years ago.... same horrible learning >>>>> curve... but now i am a Linux teacher :-) >>>>> >>>>> So i learn a very small bit of TW5 every day. Piece by piece the magic >>>>> unravels itself.... but did i say how hard it is? >>>>> >>>>> I am an outgoing kind of guy and surely want to help promote TW, realy! >>>>> >>>>> What i notice is the lack of structured tutorials... you have to look >>>>> all over the place to find them. >>>>> I had tremendous progress with 10 minutes online with Huber Simon >>>>> (THANKS!!) >>>>> >>>>> There is a Discord group with no or little response.... A Reddit group >>>>> kind of alive. >>>>> But as a newcomer you are in my opinion on your own. >>>>> Yes there are some good youtube videos, and they help you to get >>>>> started. >>>>> But getting started leads you to more questions.... that is the power >>>>> and beauty of TW. >>>>> >>>>> What *I* need is a more step by step approach.... sometimes i read TW >>>>> lingo and my brain goes: <KRANK, brain fried, core dumped> >>>>> >>>>> So i ask and ask again, sometimes indeed get an answer, more often not >>>>> but i keep going, >>>>> That gives me tiny bits of progress every day.... >>>>> >>>>> So.... i am willing to help setup a tutorial (i am no influencer but >>>>> extrovert enough :-) ) >>>>> I am the ideal nono noob user who can learn and then can teach. >>>>> >>>>> So yes i would like to help. >>>>> Maybe in some kind of online meeting ?? >>>>> >>>>> Let me know your thoughts, please. >>>>> >>>>> Ray >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Op vr 5 mrt. 2021 om 14:56 schreef David Gifford <dgif...@crcna.org>: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all >>>>>> >>>>>> I wrote the following comments for another thread, but I don't want >>>>>> to derail that thread and am starting a new one. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. OVERCOMING PREJUDICE AGAINST ROAM >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know why there are so many negative comments towards Roam in >>>>>> this Google Group. They, and their users, are constantly improving Roam, >>>>>> and it can do way more than even 6 months ago. They are not resting on >>>>>> backlinks as their only feature (not that they were doing that even a >>>>>> year >>>>>> ago, when they had filters, graphs, two columns, etc). So the comments >>>>>> just >>>>>> feel like they are generated out of envy of their success. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, Roam doesn't seem to be overhyping itself. The Roam USERS are >>>>>> the ones posting accolades on Twitter, and the Roam account (or Connor's >>>>>> account) retweets them. Which is no different from what @TiddlyWiki does. >>>>>> And other influencers are creating courses to cash in on people wanting >>>>>> to >>>>>> learn it. And YouTubers are hoping for hits on their pages by creating >>>>>> videos about Roam. Everything just snowballed for Roam, like it did for >>>>>> Notion in 2019. And like it could for TiddlyWiki. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think complaints about Roam are a waste of time. The question is, >>>>>> what can we do, positively, to learn from what they did, so that >>>>>> TiddlyWiki >>>>>> gets the attention and recognition it deserves? Knowing full well that we >>>>>> have a great open source product, how can we get and retain users? >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. LESSONS FOR TIDDLYWIKI >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a feeling that most of the people who are on this forum, >>>>>> myself included, are not the people best suited to actually promote TW, >>>>>> and >>>>>> that we need win over some extroverted influencer types, to come up with >>>>>> better onboarding materials, and then promote the heck out of TW. Just >>>>>> remember how much attention we got when Anne-Laure LeCunff wrote a couple >>>>>> blog posts on TiddlyWiki last Spring, and I merely tagged Roam >>>>>> Research's @ >>>>>> username a few times on my tweets when I debuted Stroll? Imagine what we >>>>>> could do with a few well-produced video tutorials and highlighting of >>>>>> TW's >>>>>> capabilities, and testimonials from influencers. By people who know how >>>>>> to >>>>>> express it in non-technical, non-absract terms. >>>>>> >>>>>> Someone should convince Nat Eliason or someone like him to write and >>>>>> promote a paid web course for TiddlyWiki, or ask people to create more >>>>>> video tutorials for TW on Youtube. Top candidates: Video walkthroughs for >>>>>> Timimi and each of the other options for saving. / Ten great plugins for >>>>>> TiddlyWiki for notetaking / ten for productivity / ten for images / ten >>>>>> for >>>>>> searching / ten for adjusting the UI, etc >>>>>> >>>>>> Rather than grumbling about Roam we should just figure out the right >>>>>> strategy to make TiddlyWiki popular and get someone to do it for us. For >>>>>> free. They do the work, and get paid by the hits on their Youtube videos >>>>>> and blog posts, or in the case of the courses, the fee they charge for >>>>>> the >>>>>> course. And if they make it look as if they 'discovered' TiddlyWiki even >>>>>> though it has ben around for years, and even though we approached them >>>>>> rather than them discovering TiddlyWiki, let them. Who cares. Let them >>>>>> get >>>>>> their ego stroked. As long as TW gets the press it ought to. >>>>>> >>>>>> We have had exposure at times, but a deficient onboarding experience >>>>>> held us back ("wait, I have to read through documentation about numerous >>>>>> saving options before I can even use this on my computer?"). If we could >>>>>> get the onboarding experience right, then get key people to get us the >>>>>> exposure, TiddlyWiki would have its day. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/02b08c21-c51f-45c5-bf91-0abb10135126n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/02b08c21-c51f-45c5-bf91-0abb10135126n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d0ec7efa-153b-4ab8-95b0-61538166571cn%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d0ec7efa-153b-4ab8-95b0-61538166571cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/8f84d8e7-0a47-47bb-9907-6418251e1975n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/8f84d8e7-0a47-47bb-9907-6418251e1975n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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